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i think what he did is sick, but i do want to know why he did it and what his exact words are about everything---trust me i dont know why----so i think you guys should add alot more about his trial, the families of ea. of the victims, etc.... exact reasons they want him alive,, if they think there are more bodies
Looking foward to this site being completed, I agree that William Stevens was involved in Green River, whether he and Truck painter knew each other I can't say, but I believe they both killed in the same way, at the same time.
Gary looks a lot like the top left sketch, and since none of the victims were left alive to give details, a person just driving by and seeing him wouldn't give a perfect detail to the sketch artists. I wonder what exactly happened to him to cause him to hate prostitutes. Maybe his mother was one? Or maybe a prostitute did something to him to feed his hate? If he didn't want to pay for sex, he could have just knock them out and left them somewhere instead of killing them. It's not like a prostitute would have called the cops and said "One of my johns didn't pay, you need to arrest him". My heart and prayers go out to all of those poor women and their families, I hope that somehow, someday that they can identify the others. They may have been prostitutes, but they were people too.
My name is Taqueena King, I'm the Ohio State Board Of Director. For the Missing You Foundation. I was wondering if any of the men that could be involved in the killings could have traveled. In the state of Ohio we had similar killings, In the early 80's, woman that was strangled and known to be prostitutes or thought to be. If anyone has any information or answers to my question to please email me.
I think he should be killed just the way he killed they young girls. Most of the girls did not even have a chance to live. I can not wait until this web page is done. I think he had more then one person helping him. I would like to see more information on this web page as to why he did it and why do the victims families want him to live. It will never bring there loved ones back. I know i would love to see him died. He has no balls at all. The number one KILLER i will never for get about.
I hope that they are still searching for the murderer of those not identified by the prime suspect.
I watched the special on t.v. last night. Nothing was said about the murderer's wife or son. I hope they are doing okay. I wonder if he could respect one woman enough to marry her and have a child.....what was his deal?
its a fascinating site. he admitted to 48, but what about the 49th? i still think that gary r. is the one, but could stevens also have been an independent serial killer, possibly with less victims? it is fascinating how some of the sketches seem to match gary r., but one other one looks almost identical to stevens.also any thoughts on how many more gary r. may have killed? remember the suspicion of him killing in san diego?? or, at the time, the green river killer moving to, and killing in san diego?
Did anyone ever think perhaps William Stevens was a copycat killer? And that possibly the victims not identified by ridgeway might have been his victims?
a clear example of why the death penalty works. it may not deter in the initial murders, but the killer never gets a chance to get out again. for those of you who think 'life without parole' is another option, simply contact your state parole board and ask if they ever remove that 'w/o' restriction. you will find out that the parole boards often do just that and even if they haven't in your state, they have authority usually. serial killers don't stop until they are stopped. do you really trust the bureaucracy to keep a person in prison until he dies on his own? one other comment: look up on the web 'death row' for your state and read what they did to get there. the antideath penalty groups NEVER want you to know the details. once you read how animalistic they were to their victims, you will be pro death penalty.
RIGHT ON BOB !
Bob, Just chatted with you on ****************** and you were right ! Texas currently is attemtping to stop a release of a serial killer that they have in their system but they are afraid that the way current law is written, they will be forced to release him in 2005 ! Can you believe it ???????
this dude is fucking sick.
good wed site good info.
if you like this site and you havnt read the book the green river killer it is awesome.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT ON THIS WEBSITE, YOU HAVE LISTED ALMA SMITH, WHOSE REMAINS WERE FOUND AT STAR LAKE, AS BEING 22 YEARS OLD. SHE WAS ACTUALLY 18 YEARS OF AGE WHEN KILLED. SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN 19 AT THE TIME OF THE DISCOVERY OF HER BODY. I ALSO FIND IT SORT OF IRONIC THAT THIS VICTIM WAS FROM WALLA WALLA WA WHICH IS NOW WHERE GARY RIDGEWAY RESIDES. I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY GUARDS WHO WORK AT THE STATE PENITENTARY WHOM ALSO KNEW ALMA AS I DID GROWING UP IN WALLA WALLA. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I find it hard to believe that so many women were murdered and no one was caught! This is a very informative website.
I think this website is great. He deserved anything he got and I pray for the families involved in this case. I hope all others are found and put to rest. God bless!
It sure would be newsworthy to see the real story behind the mitigating factors of Gary Ridgeway. It seems Gary was given unofficial permission by King County to help them rid their County of undesirables. He accomplished this overwhelming task of cleanilng up hwy 99, which KC had spent years and millions failing to do, and all for free!. When prostitutes started showing up dead or reported missing - no investigations were taken seriously. I know this because after reporting one of the bodies, it took over a month to retrieve her, and it wasn't until 20 years later did I get a brief call on any form of investigation. One of the girls pimps took detectives to Gary's house pleading with them to get his girl back from this man whom he witnessed take her. Again no response from KC Now they know who's killing and for 20 more years don't even bother to track him, as the bodies continue to rise. Gary himself testifies " I though I was doing you guy's a favor" apparently his impression was since now you guy's know who's doing this, are not arresting me, it's implied consent and sanctioned by KC to continue killing. I'm convinced if reading through "all" the records you would find a multitude of actions (or lack thereof) showing a attitude and pattern of complacent disregard for these women.
i think the green river killer would have been a very scary experience and my heart goes out to all the victims families. I think that Gary Ridgway should be put on the death penalty even though im against it , he deserves the worst.
Dudes, this guy is fucked up! I don't see why he killed are those women. I bet he was gay! Man, they should make him suffer. No woman deserves what he did.
WOOOO I'm on the guest book!!! GRK rocks!!
this guy is a sick fuck?
i could beat him
just playing
GRK Rocks? I would like the anonymous person who posted this stupid, insensitive remark THINK of their MOTHER or SISTER as being murdered by anyone much less a serial killer. Keep your morbid comments to yourself!!!!!
Could Mr. Ridgeway and any other suspect and the victims have been a victim of occultism? What is the meaning of the three small bones, small cube with number 15, posing bodies, fish, beer bottles, and any other "sign" at the victim sites and to whom and why?
Where there is no legitimate power in personal relationship and/or workplace and/or community can illegitimate people power be obtained or be evidenced as having already been obtained? To what extent can the power of male/female, female/female and many females, male/male and male/many male relationships be transformed into legitimate information derived from observation when illegitimate people power seeks to inform/evidence to legal society, economy and personal relationships power over human relationships (i.e. because the person murdered prostitutes does the person perceive himself to have a position of independence from other males in both the regular clientele group and in the work place scenarios - i.e. reason for not communicating and establishing authority in silence possibly similar to the perceived to be workplace of the sex trade worker group? Can highly socialized persons appear in silence as non-social whilst non social people appear highly socialized and why is there a need for the appearance- i.e. to avoid suspicion-? To what extent do the outside the workplace relationships of the sex trade workers and the outside relationships of the killer of these workers not impact decision to gather in one location in pursuit of illegal economic/social/personal activity? Can a perception of both sex trade worker and killer be re-constructed? How is people power abused in these scenarios and in these scenarios are people empowered without management or restriction? Why are the many different appearances of William Stephens that appeared on the previous website not on this website? What is the meaning of all these different appearance changes amongst social criminals, including Theodore Bundy? Consider that the parents of William Stephens were not biological parents. Both were students of post-secondary institutions. Is knowledge relevant without ability to develop appropriate personal, employment and community relationships and where it is is the knowledge legal? What kinds of knowledge can criminals derive from criminal experience vs. kinds of knowledge legal people can derive from legal experience and why should one progress at the expense of the other? Can the two exist in isolation? Theodore Bundy who also evidenced a remarkable ability to change appearance. Could this ability be his own or is it occultism (i.e. natural and/or artificialized version of the intellectualized natural manipulation between human relationships-consider strength and weakness and legal and/or criminal methods to achieve one or the other-toward planned outcomes. Could be a definition which can be natural and artificialized in both cases produce a process in which the victim is not caught whilst the same attitude crime events continue and evidence a trend - both lateral - locational-and vertical). Can the merging interests of criminal social, economic, religious, educational and business hierarchies and persons of such hierarchies knowingly and/or unknowingly collaborate toward human and informational disaster? Is a general crime process separate from a specific criminal event or series of criminal events and who are the people of the process - most visible and least visible in a natural and/or artificial social crime hierarchy and will this hierarchy, if successful, merge with financial heirarchy Human and informational security is achieved through legitimate participation in relationship development in society, business, education, personal relationships and government. The extent to which historical domestic serious crime exposes historical weaknesses in community, workplace, personal relationships and educational systems is only known today. Are "changing appearances" an intermediate/advanced stage of crime camouflage and is there a social crime hierarchy developing between males of sex trade workers at basic, intermediate and advanced levels? A comment as to whether or not these people recognized significant appearance changes or if this was another part of the "plan" of the people of the process generating the criminal events naturally and/or artificially (i.e. deliberate). Why does the criminal process blend in so deceptively at borderline levels (consider that the perceived to be top the the criminal hierarchy is not the actual since it involves serious deception) with legal society, relationships, education systems and business and advance forward preying upon developing perceptions of weakness or exploiting disadvantage in relationships, education, social structures, community relationships and financial wealth. Re: Should Be Mention of The United Kingdom Anti-Social Behavior Contract and Social Exclusion Unit in an effort to encourage people to achieve legitimacy through personal effort rather than through theft (i.e. theft of communication, life, property, employment progress, community progress, etc.). To what extent does the social, financial and/or education criminal create the perception of socialization, sexualization, power and control (i.e. to the extent necessary to evidence no weakness and no intention to change)? Can criminalized versions of domestic religious practice (i.e. reading a Bible but peopled by people of illegal economy and society and committing crime) exploit weakness in national fabric of society and economy making an entire country vulnerable to international crime?
Where there is no legitimate power in personal relationship and/or workplace and/or community can illegitimate people power be obtained or be evidenced as having already been obtained? To what extent can the power of male/female, female/female and many females, male/male and male/many male relationships be transformed into legitimate information derived from observation when illegitimate people power seeks to inform/evidence to legal society, economy and personal relationships power over human relationships (i.e. because the person murdered prostitutes does the person perceive himself to have a position of independence from other males in both the regular clientele group and in the work place scenarios - i.e. reason for not communicating and establishing authority in silence possibly similar to the perceived to be workplace of the sex trade worker group? Can highly socialized persons appear in silence as non-social whilst non social people appear highly socialized and why is there a need for the appearance- i.e. to avoid suspicion-? To what extent do the outside the workplace relationships of the sex trade workers and the outside relationships of the killer of these workers not impact decision to gather in one location in pursuit of illegal economic/social/personal activity? Can a perception of both sex trade worker and killer be re-constructed? How is people power abused in these scenarios and in these scenarios are people empowered without management or restriction? Why are the many different appearances of William Stephens that appeared on the previous website not on this website? What is the meaning of all these different appearance changes amongst social criminals, including Theodore Bundy? Consider that the parents of William Stephens were not biological parents. Both were students of post-secondary institutions. Is knowledge relevant without ability to develop appropriate personal, employment and community relationships and where it is is the knowledge legal? What kinds of knowledge can criminals derive from criminal experience vs. kinds of knowledge legal people can derive from legal experience and why should one progress at the expense of the other? Can the two exist in isolation? Theodore Bundy who also evidenced a remarkable ability to change appearance. Could this ability be his own or is it occultism (i.e. natural and/or artificialized version of the intellectualized natural manipulation between human relationships-consider strength and weakness and legal and/or criminal methods to achieve one or the other-toward planned outcomes. Could be a definition which can be natural and artificialized in both cases produce a process in which the victim is not caught whilst the same attitude crime events continue and evidence a trend - both lateral - locational-and vertical). Can the merging interests of criminal social, economic, religious, educational and business hierarchies and persons of such hierarchies knowingly and/or unknowingly collaborate toward human and informational disaster? Is a general crime process separate from a specific criminal event or series of criminal events and who are the people of the process - most visible and least visible in a natural and/or artificial social crime hierarchy and will this hierarchy, if successful, merge with financial heirarchy Human and informational security is achieved through legitimate participation in relationship development in society, business, education, personal relationships and government. The extent to which historical domestic serious crime exposes historical weaknesses in community, workplace, personal relationships and educational systems is only known today. Are "changing appearances" an intermediate/advanced stage of crime camouflage and is there a social crime hierarchy developing between males of sex trade workers at basic, intermediate and advanced levels? A comment as to whether or not these people recognized significant appearance changes or if this was another part of the "plan" of the people of the process generating the criminal events naturally and/or artificially (i.e. deliberate). Why does the criminal process blend in so deceptively at borderline levels (consider that the perceived to be top the the criminal hierarchy is not the actual since it involves serious deception) with legal society, relationships, education systems and business and advance forward preying upon developing perceptions of weakness or exploiting disadvantage in relationships, education, social structures, community relationships and financial wealth. Re: Should Be Mention of The United Kingdom Anti-Social Behavior Contract and Social Exclusion Unit in an effort to encourage people to achieve legitimacy through personal effort rather than through theft (i.e. theft of communication, life, property, employment progress, community progress, etc.). To what extent does the social, financial and/or education criminal create the perception of socialization, sexualization, power and control (i.e. to the extent necessary to evidence no weakness and no intention to change)? Can criminalized versions of domestic religious practice (i.e. reading a Bible but peopled by people of illegal economy and society and committing crime) exploit weakness in national fabric of society and economy making an entire country vulnerable to international crime?
Where there is no legitimate power in personal relationship and/or workplace and/or community can illegitimate people power be obtained or be evidenced as having already been obtained? To what extent can the power of male/female, female/female and many females, male/male and male/many male relationships be transformed into legitimate information derived from observation when illegitimate people power seeks to inform/evidence to legal society, economy and personal relationships power over human relationships (i.e. because the person murdered prostitutes does the person perceive himself to have a position of independence from other males in both the regular clientele group and in the work place scenarios - i.e. reason for not communicating and establishing authority in silence possibly similar to the perceived to be workplace of the sex trade worker group? Can highly socialized persons appear in silence as non-social whilst non social people appear highly socialized and why is there a need for the appearance- i.e. to avoid suspicion-? To what extent do the outside the workplace relationships of the sex trade workers and the outside relationships of the killer of these workers not impact decision to gather in one location in pursuit of illegal economic/social/personal activity? Can a perception of both sex trade worker and killer be re-constructed? How is people power abused in these scenarios and in these scenarios are people empowered without management or restriction? Why are the many different appearances of William Stephens that appeared on the previous website not on this website? What is the meaning of all these different appearance changes amongst social criminals, including Theodore Bundy? Consider that the parents of William Stephens were not biological parents. Both were students of post-secondary institutions. Is knowledge relevant without ability to develop appropriate personal, employment and community relationships and where it is is the knowledge legal? What kinds of knowledge can criminals derive from criminal experience vs. kinds of knowledge legal people can derive from legal experience and why should one progress at the expense of the other? Can the two exist in isolation? Theodore Bundy who also evidenced a remarkable ability to change appearance. Could this ability be his own or is it occultism (i.e. natural and/or artificialized version of the intellectualized natural manipulation between human relationships-consider strength and weakness and legal and/or criminal methods to achieve one or the other-toward planned outcomes. Could be a definition which can be natural and artificialized in both cases produce a process in which the victim is not caught whilst the same attitude crime events continue and evidence a trend - both lateral - locational-and vertical). Can the merging interests of criminal social, economic, religious, educational and business hierarchies and persons of such hierarchies knowingly and/or unknowingly collaborate toward human and informational disaster? Is a general crime process separate from a specific criminal event or series of criminal events and who are the people of the process - most visible and least visible in a natural and/or artificial social crime hierarchy and will this hierarchy, if successful, merge with financial heirarchy Human and informational security is achieved through legitimate participation in relationship development in society, business, education, personal relationships and government. The extent to which historical domestic serious crime exposes historical weaknesses in community, workplace, personal relationships and educational systems is only known today. Are "changing appearances" an intermediate/advanced stage of crime camouflage and is there a social crime hierarchy developing between males of sex trade workers at basic, intermediate and advanced levels? A comment as to whether or not these people recognized significant appearance changes or if this was another part of the "plan" of the people of the process generating the criminal events naturally and/or artificially (i.e. deliberate). Why does the criminal process blend in so deceptively at borderline levels (consider that the perceived to be top the the criminal hierarchy is not the actual since it involves serious deception) with legal society, relationships, education systems and business and advance forward preying upon developing perceptions of weakness or exploiting disadvantage in relationships, education, social structures, community relationships and financial wealth. Re: Should Be Mention of The United Kingdom Anti-Social Behavior Contract and Social Exclusion Unit in an effort to encourage people to achieve legitimacy through personal effort rather than through theft (i.e. theft of communication, life, property, employment progress, community progress, etc.). To what extent does the social, financial and/or education criminal create the perception of socialization, sexualization, power and control (i.e. to the extent necessary to evidence no weakness and no intention to change)? Can criminalized versions of domestic religious practice (i.e. reading a Bible but peopled by people of illegal economy and society and committing crime) exploit weakness in national fabric of society and economy making an entire country vulnerable to international crime?
good job on the GRK it take time .fuck good job you did a hell of a job.
What is the difference between contracting in social, religious and economic crime and contracting in legal society, economy, government and education? Should the website not be linked to the Homicide Working Research Group, USA? What is the difference today between criminal communication systems and legal communication systems? How can religion fall into the latter category and because it does can it simply be nothing more than crime? What is the relevance of human sacrifice in criminal practice of religion? To what extent are victims not consensual and is consent, method of obtaining consent and perception of achieving consent contingent upon physical and/or verbal activity evidencing natural collaboration (i.e. existence of regulars in the sex trade business may evidence inability to transform themselves legitimately in personal relationships, community and/or economy. What are the common denominators of users of the sex-trade business that may produce some level of connectivity with other clients that could possibility be intellectualized and manipulated by an outside party and in an effort to expose a problem resort to various levels or pretending to be police and doctors or nurses by possessing vehicles of these professions. Consider the abuse of knowledge, title and people in a human propaganda campaign in an attempt to achieve legitimacy and deceive community into believing that because killers of these women tend not to get caught that what killers do must be legitimate and who would believe such perspectives? Mr.. Stephens, similar to Mr.. Bundy were both university educated persons. What historical weaknesses do these people expose in higher education? Do most higher education institutions today not evidence higher levels of connectivity to policing, criminology societies, economic associations, psychology and psychiatry, etc. regardless of area of expertise? Can this trend result in better crime detection and prevention programs in communities and workplaces in the future? Can the "open to the public" type approach of many associations today encourage disclosure in anonymity in order to achieve better historical perspective of the crime process and criminal events suggesting continuity of a criminal process? Is the criminal process achieved in isolation or through non-genuine communication with society, business and/or personal relationships? When in isolation or "closed systems" (i.e. all people who visit a location for one or more purposes -i.e. when a person visits the location and observes when driving around but does not report observations to police type scenario vs. scenario where police do not recognize anything suspicious because they are not familiar with the business and people of the business- can belief systems be created and manipulated through human propaganda? Can the word occultism simply mean crime but used as an umbrella to camouflage crime? To what extent can the perception of all clients of the sex trade business be similar and to what extent are all clients of the sex trade business lawful? Why is mobility of users of the sex trade business in more than one location important and what does it evidence about human weakness and decision making in isolation or when peopled with similar kinds?
What is the difference between contracting in social, religious and economic crime and contracting in legal society, economy, government and education? Should the website not be linked to the Homicide Working Research Group, USA? What is the difference today between criminal communication systems and legal communication systems? How can religion fall into the latter category and because it does can it simply be nothing more than crime? What is the relevance of human sacrifice in criminal practice of religion? To what extent are victims not consensual and is consent, method of obtaining consent and perception of achieving consent contingent upon physical and/or verbal activity evidencing natural collaboration (i.e. existence of regulars in the sex trade business may evidence inability to transform themselves legitimately in personal relationships, community and/or economy. What are the common denominators of users of the sex-trade business that may produce some level of connectivity with other clients that could possibility be intellectualized and manipulated by an outside party and in an effort to expose a problem resort to various levels or pretending to be police and doctors or nurses by possessing vehicles of these professions. Consider the abuse of knowledge, title and people in a human propaganda campaign in an attempt to achieve legitimacy and deceive community into believing that because killers of these women tend not to get caught that what killers do must be legitimate and who would believe such perspectives? Mr.. Stephens, similar to Mr.. Bundy were both university educated persons. What historical weaknesses do these people expose in higher education? Do most higher education institutions today not evidence higher levels of connectivity to policing, criminology societies, economic associations, psychology and psychiatry, etc. regardless of area of expertise? Can this trend result in better crime detection and prevention programs in communities and workplaces in the future? Can the "open to the public" type approach of many associations today encourage disclosure in anonymity in order to achieve better historical perspective of the crime process and criminal events suggesting continuity of a criminal process? Is the criminal process achieved in isolation or through non-genuine communication with society, business and/or personal relationships? When in isolation or "closed systems" (i.e. all people who visit a location for one or more purposes -i.e. when a person visits the location and observes when driving around but does not report observations to police type scenario vs. scenario where police do not recognize anything suspicious because they are not familiar with the business and people of the business- can belief systems be created and manipulated through human propaganda? Can the word occultism simply mean crime but used as an umbrella to camouflage crime? To what extent can the perception of all clients of the sex trade business be similar and to what extent are all clients of the sex trade business lawful? Why is mobility of users of the sex trade business in more than one location important and what does it evidence about human weakness and decision making in isolation or when peopled with similar kinds?
What is the difference between contracting in social, religious and economic crime and contracting in legal society, economy, government and education? Should the website not be linked to the Homicide Working Research Group, USA? What is the difference today between criminal communication systems and legal communication systems? How can religion fall into the latter category and because it does can it simply be nothing more than crime? What is the relevance of human sacrifice in criminal practice of religion? To what extent are victims not consensual and is consent, method of obtaining consent and perception of achieving consent contingent upon physical and/or verbal activity evidencing natural collaboration (i.e. existence of regulars in the sex trade business may evidence inability to transform themselves legitimately in personal relationships, community and/or economy. What are the common denominators of users of the sex-trade business that may produce some level of connectivity with other clients that could possibility be intellectualized and manipulated by an outside party and in an effort to expose a problem resort to various levels or pretending to be police and doctors or nurses by possessing vehicles of these professions. Consider the abuse of knowledge, title and people in a human propaganda campaign in an attempt to achieve legitimacy and deceive community into believing that because killers of these women tend not to get caught that what killers do must be legitimate and who would believe such perspectives? Mr.. Stephens, similar to Mr.. Bundy were both university educated persons. What historical weaknesses do these people expose in higher education? Do most higher education institutions today not evidence higher levels of connectivity to policing, criminology societies, economic associations, psychology and psychiatry, etc. regardless of area of expertise? Can this trend result in better crime detection and prevention programs in communities and workplaces in the future? Can the "open to the public" type approach of many associations today encourage disclosure in anonymity in order to achieve better historical perspective of the crime process and criminal events suggesting continuity of a criminal process? Is the criminal process achieved in isolation or through non-genuine communication with society, business and/or personal relationships? When in isolation or "closed systems" (i.e. all people who visit a location for one or more purposes -i.e. when a person visits the location and observes when driving around but does not report observations to police type scenario vs. scenario where police do not recognize anything suspicious because they are not familiar with the business and people of the business- can belief systems be created and manipulated through human propaganda? Can the word occultism simply mean crime but used as an umbrella to camouflage crime? To what extent can the perception of all clients of the sex trade business be similar and to what extent are all clients of the sex trade business lawful? Why is mobility of users of the sex trade business in more than one location important and what does it evidence about human weakness and decision making in isolation or when peopled with similar kinds?
Re: Changing Appearances of Serious Social Criminals Do all these appearance changes evidence in themselves a desire not to evidence any other personal relationship structure other than that which exists in the perceived reality of users of the sex trade business? Also, why is it important for these women to communicate and what are the consequences of not communicating with users of the sex-trade business in normal social and financial transactions and in other than normal social and financial transactions? Consider the possible weakness of the client in resorting to the sex trade business which may include homicide fantasy and what kind of information and people people the development of fantasy thought toward activity and result? Are all clients of the sex trade business non-communicators in education, community and personal relationships? What is the significance of signing when used by the developmentally disabled compared to signing used by people with normal communication skills, and why would somebody not want to communicate (i.e. consider the content of communication as a product of the thought and consider the circumstances creating and withholding the thought and can thought not only be transformed into activity in a legal work place but also a criminal workplace) with other people? What are the consequences of male and female communication if after the communication there is a long period of silence or what might be the perceived consequences if less visible human connectivity develops perspective? Rather than for example evidencing other female connectivity where a personal relationship exists outside the sex trade business or where employment is largely independent and silent to what extent can the male in removing a female (i.e. due to perceived outcome when silent) be connected to other males - most visible to least visible players of these social and economic criminal economies? Can natural crime heirarchies exist not only in financial systems but also social systems? Can the independent activity of individuals in these systems result in artificialized versions or organized crime? Can natural crime hierarchies also exist in education systems? Was closed system type thinking where knowledge is not broadened and where human connectivity is restricted harmful to historically in society and business? Is there a difference between the content of thought of an individual and the activity of an individual? Can people expose crime as well as camouflage crime, knowingly or unknowingly? Can groups who are participants in borderline economies re-create the same outcomes when mobile in other locations (i.e. clients of the sex trade business travel from one location to another to reduce visibility and manage risk both in criminal outcome situations and borderline situations)? To what extent do people of these economies depend upon the people for sexualization without communication and to what extent will this activity disable development of legitimate activity in society, education and economy?
The majority of the victims are relatively young in terms of age and/or experience with legitimate development processes and legitimate people of legitimate society, religion, economy, education and economy. What kinds of weaknesses do the victims expose in the killer and the peripheried clients of the sex trade business? The suspects are all anti-social. Does the sex trade business provide an excuse not to socialize? If not all of the girls and women were involved in the sex trade business could these groups or people pretending to be part of these groups in order to commit a crime against the women and girls not also prey upon other disadvantaged women and/or can disadvantage be a natural or deliberate positioning of girls and women who are in anyway linked to borderline economies? What kinds of power structures emerge amongst the male clientele of borderline economies for reasons other than pricing of the service and what are the factors involved when pricing the service (i.e. desperation, appearance, communication skills, people skills, task skills or a mixture of each according to the unique nature of the client?). Can economic (i.e. lower price and the types of people who would prefer not to pay vs. types of people who pay a higher price - social hiearchy), religious, educational and/or social opportunity be seen where regulars (visible and less visible) are familiar withan individual and can better manipulate outcomes for women and girls at visible and less visible levels.-manipulation so as to have women and girls percieved to be part of a group or disadvantage can be shaped as an outcome where pricing of sex trade girls/women is manipulated to lower levels as it can be shaped as an outcome where familiarity is achieved -i.e. more communication confidence as a result of participation with legal economic structures and recognizing weakness in the female communication structures. Level of Physical and Communication Mobility To Achieve Less Visibility When Concerned With Evidencing Connectivity With People of Borderline Economic and Social Activity Consider the East End Vancouver, B.C. missing women situation and the gradual decline in prices paid for service. For those unwilling to pay for the service in the first place but who do not commit homicides do they take advantage of addiction to drugs and perceived lesser social value (i.e. decline in ability to communicate with legitimate people and higher connectivity to people of drugs) than other women type perception and the abuse of this perception where there is no drugs involved - i.e. as in planned outcomes where unknowingly trends (i.e.pricing, disconnected from legitimate groups-natural and careful manipulation where less visible interests are connecting deliberately to exploit for advantage- evidence such outcomes. What kinds of financial crime hiearchies are more evidenced in the Vancouver East scenarios than in the Seattle WA scenarios? If a form of occultism existed in which experience gained from interacting with sex trade business and knowledge derived from this experience could be of value to financial crime hierchies (i.e. similar need for socialization and/or sexualization with legitimate groups without physical mobility, etc. to avoid suspicion). Would there be social and employment problems for clients of the sex trade business if the business did not exist and if not then where would the business exist? To what extent does focus on specific individual's prevent people from seeing general picture and how each individual directly and/or indirectly connected to these borderline economies and social organizations contributes toward prevention of disaster or disaster?
The killer(s) seem to have a sense of timing. To what extent would the killer(s) know the female and how (i.e. given nature of method of connectivity of client vs. perceived to be only economic benefit) if, for example, the female is leaving a hotel to buy cigarettes and the killer just happens to be in her path? As well, does the killer just happen to be near the bar when another victim is leaving? Why would he hang around and wait and why not do something else (i.e. maybe there is some kind of relationship unknown to the female developing due to the youthfulness or lack of personal relationship experience of the female and/or knowledge of these issues but possibly known to the killer - i.e. wife and children)? What may be the motivation in these circumstances and even if there was no wife and children could someone else have stalked the women and why would they hang around a female and her boyfriend in a hotel all night? Can smoking, drinking, eating, evidence non-communication and perhaps some level of familiarity with distanced people where the person engaged in such activities is financing activity through proceeds of sex-trade business (on the one hand an economic activity but on the other hand a real sexual experience)? Can Mr. Stephen's lifestyle evidence lifestyle of sexually active person who is not employed or married whilst the prime suspect evidences nothing unusual at the time and why? Compare and contrast the two persons including educational background and student activity (i.e. silence or highly interactive with other students) with non-communication manual tasks of auto painting business.
Relative to the killer(s) sense of timing the police seem to have no sense of timing. If police were familiar with any of the women why would natural human communication connectivity not have inspired closer observation of lifestyle and work place activity or lack of activity? Is there not only, therefore, lack of productive activity on the part of the police but also the women. Obviously, the police do not socialize outside the workplace with the killer(s). To what extent do these "closed system" type economies result in the perception that outside the borderline activity relationships and employment may be challenged by existence of sex trade business but at the same time involvement with the sex trade business to generate and/or maintain appearance of personal relationship and employment stability within legal structures but without genuine communication (similar to women and client interaction of the sex trade business). Is it unusual that this would be the case since the human connectivity is only between a closed group of people (i.e. clients of the sex trade business(?), women and girls of the sex trade busines (?) and personal, educational institution, community and employment relationships most of which are anti-social (i.e. non disclosure or withholding information and the natural consequences of non disclosure)?
Relative to the killer(s) sense of timing the police seem to have no sense of timing. If police were familiar with any of the women why would natural human communication connectivity not have inspired closer observation of lifestyle and work place activity or lack of activity? Is there not only, therefore, lack of productive activity on the part of the police but also the women. Obviously, the police do not socialize outside the workplace with the killer(s). To what extent do these "closed system" type economies result in the perception that outside the borderline activity relationships and employment may be challenged by existence of sex trade business but at the same time involvement with the sex trade business to generate and/or maintain appearance of personal relationship and employment stability within legal structures but without genuine communication (similar to women and client interaction of the sex trade business). Is it unusual that this would be the case since the human connectivity is only between a closed group of people (i.e. clients of the sex trade business(?), women and girls of the sex trade busines (?) and personal, educational institution, community and employment relationships most of which are anti-social (i.e. non disclosure or withholding information and the natural consequences of non disclosure)?
The idea of cleaning up the street and housecleaning is popular amongst perceived by themselves to be more sophisticated crime groups. It usually means employing various forms of people removal and an excuse to do the job. As well, reverse strategies can occur in which the person who is not of disconnected from legititimate group can become disconnected and the task is regarded as housecleaning by a group of criminals and performed for personal profit. When not disconnected and re-connecting to the street cleaners and/or housecleaners via people of the most visible level of the sex trade business. The "cleaning up" is often profitable in terms of extra people power and manipulation potential for entertainment gained through the activity that can also be useful in silent type occupations and professions where silence does not represent good character and where the individual or group would have it appear otherwise.
Consider the GRK statement: "I agree that each of the murders I committed was part of a "common scheme or plan." The plan was: I wanted to kill as many women I thought were prostitutes as I possibly could." Define "common scheme or plan" or perspective of there being a common scheme or plan and whose plan and was the role of the killer only one role in this common scheme or plan? Consider the two approaches to a problem: Why someone would need to talk to as many people as possible vs. "kill as many women I thought were prostitutes as I possibly could." Consider the two activities carefully in terms of connecting and disconnecting people in both criminal scenarios and in legal scenarios. Which is "camouflage" of a problem (knowingly vs. unknowingly) and which is "exposure" - i.e. signing to public or /and vice versa where the intuition can not be intellectualized and vocalized- in both criminal and legal scenarios?
Consider the GRK statement: "I agree that each of the murders I committed was part of a "common scheme or plan." The plan was: I wanted to kill as many women I thought were prostitutes as I possibly could." Define "common scheme or plan" or perspective of there being a common scheme or plan and whose plan and was the role of the killer only one role in this common scheme or plan? Consider the two approaches to a problem: Why someone would need to talk to as many people as possible vs. "kill as many women I thought were prostitutes as I possibly could." Consider the two activities carefully in terms of connecting and disconnecting people in both criminal scenarios and in legal scenarios. Which is "camouflage" of a problem (knowingly vs. unknowingly) and which is "exposure" - i.e. signing to public or /and vice versa where the intuition can not be intellectualized and vocalized- in both criminal and legal scenarios?
Death Penalty? Do the Green River killings not evidence both youth and adults empowered illegitimately? Does the killer not give the victims the death penalty? What people and/or knowledge experience leads an individual to believe that in isolation a decision can be made about whether another individual lives or dies? Do people know enough about life to pass a death sentence (i.e. all knowing and all experienced)? If jailed a serial killer will not kill again unless he/she kills in jail. Why is it important to develop the concept of jail as a learning organization for everybody? Does the death penalty simply just continue the judgment process and why? Without understanding the entire process of criminalization of an individual in society how can similar processes be stopped in other persons? When youth are playing with adults in serious life/work conflicts to what extent are adults not evidencing adult behavior when participating in crime with youth? Consider the lack of experience in work/life conflict management in both the victim and the killer scenarios and peripheried interests of each group. The extent to which death can replace communiction is obviously perceived to be simpler than dealing with the other person as a human being and part of social, academic, professional and economic fabric of a country. As well, removing both victim and the killer denies people opportunity to find out exactly what is going on with these sorts of people and to prevent such situations from occuring again anywhere else.
Revised Edition Due To Spelling Error "The extent to which death can replace communication is obviously perceived to be simpler than dealing with the other person as a human being and part of social, academic, professional and economic fabric of a country. As well, removing both victim and the killer denies people opportunity to find out exactly what is going on with these sorts of people and to prevent such situations from occurring again anywhere else."
"General Scheme or Plan" of Human Religion (imperfect vs. ideal perfect and the ideal divinity of women vs. human sacrifice of cult type religion as a visible definition of criminal divinity) Do the rocks found at the scene associated with two of the victims sign meaning about existence-or bringing into existence- of a social and a financial crime hierarchy? Usually a pyramid sign is understood to mean hierarchy. What about the separation and the merging of associated hierarchies and through what agency (i.e. illegal management of crime hierarchy, illegal education method hierarchy, etc.)? What might be the implications if the serial killer trend following that of the GRK evidences at very bottom level merging of interests in such activity and possibly transitional economies and personal relationship organization by managers of crime? As well, what is the religion of crime? Is the criminal practice of religion not in the spotlight today?
The many social crime scenarios may ultimately generate a natural and artificialized version of a social crime process which may continue at another location in random or in specific locations by any one of the persons interacting with the same group and who does not appropriately evidence workplace/life legitimate socialization processes. Independence is not an end it is a ongoing learning process evidencing, in the GRK case, that it can lead to social, financial and educational disasters. Do people have the legitimate combined general and specific people and knowledge experience to make independent decisions regarding life/death issues: Should the behaviors, language and activities of the people frequenting these historical locations and/or people not be revisited by a broader spectrum of qualified persons: ""New in Paperback! SOCIAL GROUPS IN ACTION AND INTERACTION by Charles Stangor http://www.psypress.co.uk/stangor 'Social Groups in Action and Interaction' is the new title from Psychology Press which reviews and analyzes the human group as it operates to create both social good and, potentially, social harm. The book provides relatively equal emphasis on topics traditionally considered from an intra-group perspective (e.g. conformity, minority influence, group decision-making, leadership, and task performance) as well as topics derived from an inter-group perspective (e.g. social categorization, social identity, intergroup conflict, stereotyping, prejudice and discrimination). Other important aspects of group relations such as culture, crowd behavior, social representations, and negotiation are also covered. "This book provides a thorough and highly readable review of the major theories and findings in inter- and intra-group relations. These areas are rarely covered in a single treatment, and the author has done a superb job interweaving these two topics to the benefit of both." William von Hippel, University of New South Wales This textbook is an essential resource for courses on group dynamics and behavior...." http://ncmail.netscape.com/msgview.adp?folder=SW5ib3g=&uid=344130
Faulty Perspective vs. Accurate Perspective Current and historical perspective of the people during the GRK may be relevant in determining why the killer was not stopped before the killings. Can genuine education be achieved through genuine interest and genuine legitimate communication of such interest? Can good perspective can be achieved through broad spectrum of expertise (people and knowledge) and will it produce more qualified judgment (i.e. sense of power derived from the position that even although my occupation is only ---- my real job is a judge of life/death issues)? "THE SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY OF GOOD AND EVIL Edited by Arthur G. Miller UK and Europe only: http://www.psypress.co.uk/go/book.asp?ISBN=157230989X North America and Rest of World: http://www.guilford.com This compelling text explores key concepts, theories, and findings regarding the conditions under which people are kind and helpful to others or, conversely, under which they commit harmful, even murderous acts." http://ncmail.netscape.com/msgview.adp?folder=SW5ib3g=&uid=344130
Many of the Theodore Bundy victims had sympathy for Mr. Bundy's pretended physical handicap (i.e. set-up to "test" victims and the perception that if sympathy is offered then it should not be rewarded by a mutual act of kindness unless Mr. Bundy perceived himself to be another street cleaner). How do these criminals compromise the liberty of others in society, education and economy? Is Mr. Bundy's education anti-social or is the history of development within post-secondary institutions in general anti-social? What do the victims and criminals of serious crime indicate about the people and knowledge of historical education programs (i.e. extent to which knowledge is tranformed into legitimate thinking and legitimate people communication and activity - i.e. betterment of society and economy vs. private benefit and restricted perspective? Could disconnection (manipulated and natural & management of each or evolution of change management processes and/or change events-perceived and actual) between the various fields and the general public result in social and/or financial disaster and postpone disaster in education systems? What the Enron affair was to the financial world seems to be what the Bundy and GRK is to the world of education and the people of education. Today, work/life conflict management groups have become associated with large organizations to assist employees and management resolve work/life related problems since one always impacts the performance of the other at some time or at all times. As well, encouraging "whistle blowing" not only in financial but also suspected social crimes may be necessary given the many opportunities perceived by financial criminal's alliances with social criminals. People should browse the websites and read the information provided by many of the different national and international associations (i.e. American Economic Association, American Psychology Association, American Psychiatry Association, American Criminology Association, history associations, United Nations, Europa, European Council, Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development) and provide feedback. What are the domino effects in business, education and society both during the time of serious social crime and after the capture of serious social criminals and how can the impact of serious social crime be measured in legal business, education and society? Will closer human and informational connectivity result in better crime detection and prevention systems? Do the many various emerging associations not today evidence not only closer informational/human connectivity amongst themselves but also with the public and persons policing the public?
What is the general public perception of a "prostitute"? It seems that there are women who do not work at street level but are essentially doing the same activity. As well, many of these women are disadvantaged in terms of economy, education, society and personal relationships (i.e. should there be a partner who is financially strong enough to support a girlfriend and how should such a relationship develop if the female is not compromising liberty). As well, how does the perception of liberty being comprised develop in both the killer (i.e. rather than use legitimate liberty) and the victim scenarios that lead to the complete loss of legal liberty and to what extent is the disaster mismanaged by the many peripheried legal and criminal natured interests? Legitimate people and legitimate information connectivity require legitimate personal effort. What or who might compromise legitimate effort intentionally (i.e. perspective and people / information experience) and why would the killer not prey upon legitimate persons, according to perspective of the killer (i.e. it is difficult to get a person into the car of a stranger and it is difficult for many strangers to prepare for the challenge of managing random society in other than legal structures peopled by legal people). If the GRK prime suspect was familiar with the women could WS have been familiar with policing of the women and why (i.e. what might be the reason for having a police cruiser, ambulance, etc. in his possession)? Is there a knowledge about which the rest of legal society knows very little that even WS cannot intellectualize (i.e. social / group dynamics of the sex trade business in one location vs. randomizing the disaster via people of that location and perception that other women fall into that category - i.e. missing female hitchhiker, etc.)? Can the same conditions be not be easity re-created when these interest reposition elsewhere and if re-positioning is maintained by the same people and/or same perspective?
It appears that the GRK is somewhat possessive of his victims. Is this true and In what way is this possessive nature similar and/or different to TB? To what extent is criminal protection stuctures different from legal protection structures and why (i.e. if an individual protects another individual in a crime organization it is usually for criminal benefit derived from the association with that person and when the person is perceived to have no further criminal value the protection may be transfered back to the protector and the life of the person protected may be taken)? Does there exist the perspective that in taking the life of an individual they are responsible for that person until captured, a variation of typical criminal protection structures?
Historical Experience of Informal (i.e. client/female victim and killer group and family connected with police, taxi drivers, community, business – hotel owners, bar owners, etc.) and Formal Management & Informal/Formal Education & Formal/Informal Employment & Formal Policing in GRK Crime Experience Unsuccessful Could there be an informal gang type situation in the GRK developing from perceived isolation (i.e. locational or relative to position of legal people and legal activity or both)? Could family, business, academics, community and police have detected the killer earlier? To what extent do killers tend to play two informal roles in policing (i.e. they tend not only to commit the crime they usually find a method to deceive police into believing they are assisting in crime reduction – i.e. Theodore Bundy reporting about GRK, GRK cleaning up the streets. Is what these people think in silence consistent with what they say when they speak and why do they not like being spoken to and prefer to be the caller? In view WS situation in which he was found to be in possession of a police car, ambulance and police paraphernalia to what extent does actual assistance in policing crime represent a jump forward in deception strategy? Problem management by illegal groups or/and through illegal methods tends to create faulty perceptions. Although it appears otherwise, crime is predictable. It is not unbelievable, however, that the victims work/life was not under continuous surveillance through the development of connectivity between family, community, hotel managers, bar owners, taxi drivers and police. Is the developing crime process reactive when in learning stages until it masters the challenge and when it meets the challenge it becomes routine? Can it also be predicted that those who have deceived others into believing that other than legal alternatives to social/economic problems are justified also become a victim of deception. What is the typical language of deception and the many forms of expressing such language? Perceptions can be dangerous when imposed upon other people or used simply to randomly or specifically manipulate vulnerable people. Legal education exists for the legitimate betterment of society and economy and should be evidenced in language, thought and activity - at all times legal and transparent. Education processes and genuine expertise through which legitimate and legal information is exchanged with legitimate people and through legitimate methods can diffuse risk and result in collaborative management of serious problem scenarios. Criminal education illegally diffuses risk to avoid perception that a continuing problem exists. What are the any methods through which this can be accomplished?
Some people are intuitive. Can long-term exposure or sudden reverse intuition equally prevent legitimate and accurate intuition from occurring? Is human connectivity manipulable? Can human connectivity be randomly diffused through normal methods in the same way that it can be concentrated? Similarly, can illegal human connectivity be randomly diffused and specifically concentrated? Can victims evidence the existence of random diffusion and specifically concentrated scenarios of killer /victim connectivity? Can these scenarios be generated at visible and less visible levels naturally and/or deliberately and organize specific and random outcomes as part of a "general scheme or plan"?
Some people are intuitive. Can long-term exposure or sudden reverse intuition equally prevent legitimate and accurate intuition from occurring? Is human connectivity manipulable? Can human connectivity be randomly diffused through normal methods in the same way that it can be concentrated? Similarly, can illegal human connectivity be randomly diffused and specifically concentrated? Can victims evidence the existence of random diffusion and specifically concentrated scenarios of killer /victim connectivity? Can these scenarios be generated at visible and less visible levels naturally and/or deliberately and organize specific and random outcomes as part of a "general scheme or plan"?
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I hope that much more info will be placed here about William Stevens, the profile page doesn't tell us much. There is lots of circumstanses that would indicate that William was involved in Green River but the info here ( so far) is extremely thin.
Is the theme of human security relevant not only in international crime but also domestic crime? Is criminal practice of religion, education, business at national levels not rendering nations vulnerable to international crime? "...the creation of a Statute for an International Criminal Court in Rome last July was the culmination of years of work. It will respond to the most heinous of crimes including genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Once again, Canada is proud to be among those countries that determined that this dream was to be made a reality. The challenges to international security are broad in nature. Illicit drugs, terrorism, crime, the environment and corruption do not respect state boundaries and affect everyday lives. Globalization has made our lives intertwined with those of people who, in another era, would have remained isolated from us. We believe that democracy and human rights and the rule of law contribute to stability and security of society..." (http://www.transparency.ca/Vancouver/chanr.htm
Should the federal, regional and local government not have formed a strategy unit similar to that of the United Kingdom? The current UK Strategy Unit deals with problems concerning ethnic minorities, alcohol misuse and other problems associated with deprived areas and/or groups including crime and disorder? Can an individual in society function as a legitimate student on the one part and on the other a criminal educator? Does WS lifestyle not indicate involvement with criminal economy (i.e. theft of money and/or credit to purchase homes, etc.) and criminal social relationships? As well, does the experience of work/life in the victim scenarios not also reflect lack of legal experience? Consider that the latter may achieve high level of social mobility through communication with clientele whilst the latter tends toward physical mobility (i.e. many flights to different locations)? Consider that GR is stabilized in employment and marriage. To what extent could communication with these groups change perspective and to what extent does GR and WS avoid communication? If WS is sexualized through participation in the sex trade business does this result in criminal economics since there is no wife and children and he tends to travel with his parents? As well, do the victims not also communicate with parents and boyfriends? Does WS or GR perceive himself to have a real relationship with these women without consequence but with reality of fantasy and the other with desired real world consequence (i.e. appearance of adulthood and economy and mobility of adulthood participating in economy) vs. actual reality of the relationship structures and risks involved? Legitimate Strategy Unit "Deprived Areas The Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister have asked the Strategy Unit and the Neighbourhood Renewal Unit to take forward a study of government's approach to improving the prospects of people living in areas of multiple deprivation in England.http://www.strategy.gov.uk/output/page84.asp Ethnic Minorities in the Labour Market Project Summary The objective of this project was to increase the participation and achievement of Black and Asian ethnic minorities in the UK labour market through: A better and shared understanding of what the current differentials are between and within ethnic groups and what causes these differentials by drawing together existing research; An assessment of the effectiveness of different approaches for increasing the achievement of ethnic groups by examining the impact of existing action by Government, private and voluntary sectors; Clear policy recommendations for building on existing work and adopting new approaches to address the causes of the differentials in labour market achievement; A fresh intellectual and policy approach to the issue of ethnic minority differential performance in the labour market. The report contains a wide-ranging new Government strategy that aims to ensure that British ethnic minority groups no longer face unfair barriers to achievement in the labour market. The report demonstrates that the underlying causes of under achievement are complex, and that Government strategy should be targeted to address these varied obstacles to achievement..." (See, www.strategy.gov.uk)
The role of WS in the GRK and the role of the others seems to create a very real drama about crime in society, education and economy. Do each of these characters have a role and who organizes the drama if not each of the characters and does the drama continue in other locations (i.e. Vancouver, BC Canada, Latin America, etc.)? Are the outcomes planned before the drama begins and by whom and what keeps the drama ongoing?
In disorganized and organized crime are there natural/artificial -i.e. least predictable becomes most predictable and vice versa when a process is reversed - criminal parents and criminal spouses, criminal education, criminal method socialization and criminal employment outcomes? When an individual enters the drama of crime to what extent do each of these spheres develop and to what extent are they camouflaged and exposed by legality/criminality of people?
Intelligence vs. Emotion It seems maximum shock effect is achieved by GRK in victim posing strategies and possibly with WS perspective of policing and doctoring. Did TB communicate with GRK and if he did not then why might he try to assist police? Is there a pattern developing in people other than the GRK where those peripheried closest to crime commit lesser crimes whilst those most distanced tend toward different direction in exposure of the crime? Why is there nothing mentioned of signature crime (i.e. anonymity vs. predictable exposure, continuous exposure scenarios and temporary exposure scenarios and achieving the right mix for the desired result): ""The emotional profiling of disgust-eliciting stimuli: Evidence for primary and complex disgusts Sarah L. Marzillier A1, Graham C. L. Davey A1 A1 University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Abstract: The present paper reports the results of two studies that used a hierarchical agglomerative cluster analysis to categorise the emotional profiles of disgust-evoking stimuli. Study 1 revealed three clusters of stimuli corresponding to: (1) nondisgust or "disgust-irrelevant" items, (2) "primary" disgust items containing a range of disgust-relevant items characterised by their ability to elicit fear of oral incorporation and their animal origin; and (3) "complex" disgusts, consisting mainly of behaviours or activities that are considered to be socially or morally unacceptable. The emotional profiles of these three categories also differed significantly, with "primary" and "complex" disgusts showing higher levels of disgust than the "disgust-irrelevant" items. However, whereas the "primary" disgusts showed no evidence of elevated ratings on negative emotion scales other than disgust, the "complex" disgusts revealed high scores on all negative emotions in the profile (sadness, contempt, fear, and anger). Study 2 confirmed both the cluster analysis and emotional profile findings from Study 1, and also indicated that males and females did not differ significantly either on the cluster solution itself or the shape of the emotional profile. Female participants, however, did respond more intensively across all relevant negative emotions in the profiles than did males. The advantages of using emotional profiling as a means of categorising disgust stimuli are discussed, as are the implications of these findings for an understanding of the functions of disgust...""http://ncmail.netscape.com/msgview.adp?folder=SW5ib3g=&uid=345147
Is the GRK prime suspect not only not paying for the service but also removing any evidence of sexual association that may harm employment and marriage if found out and if he intends to continue the activity? What may form this perspective which differs from the perspective of other males who are genuinely involved with family? Consider, for example, the current President of the USA. The extent to which the President is involved with work and committed to family is an ideal role model for all males as is his wife an ideal role model for all females. The President has achieved the highest level of legitimate commitment through legitimate methods toward the betterment of the people of the country, employment and family ideal. Too often too many people take too much for granted including liberty. Has the President not achieved permanency in history legitimately? To what extent does the model of the GR process of development and the events characterizing his legal development in society, education, employment and family all seem illusive whilst the only reality ironically are the criminal events characterizing his criminalization. Consider the extent to which temporary spouse changing and other temporary role changing takes place in order to decieve and take advantage of others when borderline legal persons interact with borderline criminal persons and the extent to which one is really the other as well as the extent to which they all serve to connect beyond borderline persons and predict criminal and legal system disasters. The sense of urgency in the words of GR are almost prophetic but seem more to draw upon similar criminal characters of history (i.e. Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliff who also believed he was part of a scheme to kill prostitutes and who heard what he called a voice from God but which may very well be bad human connection). What may have GR heard in apparent silence and by whom? Can the decline in the number of killings evidence gradual transfer of interests to another location(s) (i.e. random locations and/or specific location such as Vancouver, BC Canada)? What results in GR stopping the GRK or is he simply a tool of less visible human forces? Consider also the situations and the illusion of permanency in one relationship whilst playing around with temporary dangerous relationships. This pattern seems to evolve from TB. What kind of knowledge can be derived from these general observations that may be of value in detecting not only lateral crime developments but also vertical transitions beyond borderline legal society, education and economy? Can the serious crimes of TB, GR and RP not all evidence one common denominator, a quest for permanency in legal society, employment and family but evidence anything but permanency in anything other than temporary relationships of the people of their crimes? Is non-disclosure criminal where it concerns knowledge about these relationships which evolve from actual and perceived familiarity with the people of borderline society, education and economy? Why is exposure and camouflage important to both GR and / or WS? As well, the other suspects may very well have been part of a "general scheme or plan" in distracting police from prime suspects since criminal organizations generally police themselves and the people who choose to participate in crime, at any level. What is a criminals definition of criminal and legal may be relevant to avoid becoming a victim of criminals perspectives and to attempt intervention to change people and/or information which have developed criminal faulty perspectives. Crime compromises liberty in society, education, personal relationships and economy. .
"Is the GRK prime suspect not only not paying for the service but also removing any evidence of sexual association that may harm employment and marriage if found out and if he intends to continue the activity? " What if GR marriage and employment was simply a set-up or if all the crimes were simply a set-up by then organizing social crime hierarchies? Who would benefit from the knowledge and the activity that otherwise would have nothing? Can permanency from periphery interests be achieved through manipulation schemes?
TB and GR seem to be more possessive about crimes than family, spouse or/and employment. Is this a continuing trend and for whom? Strangely, for RP there is little to suggest any feelings of possessiveness toward these women, simply an act of killing women whilst they and/or he were under the influence of drugs and/or illegal people? Normally, people do not think of sex trade business as something personal until it is too late (i.e. increasing dependency on one or more females and getting rid of the females in order to avoid feelings and/or consequences). Is there any kind of informal contract between legal society and GR and/or RP which is really a contract with crime and the people of crime which may, at a later time cause disaster. Despite having achieved permanency in family and employment what seems to be the cost and why is this appearing as though it were a choice presented to him by himself? Do financial criminals blackmail financial criminals and do social criminals blackmail social criminals and through what types of methods - i.e. open and transparent or secretive and silent or serious and commited or/and humourous and dangerous? Why is it important not to participate in crime at any level in society? What do these women seem to evidence about liberty in sex in society that appears only to be an illusion (i.e. that they are not personally interested in the clients but the clients may be personally interested in them yet the communication grounds adult employment conditions and seems to generate client anger) whilst GR makes liberty in sexual partners a reality for himself at the expense of others -not just victims- and why - i.e. personal relationships for most people are very serious? Why and when do people lose faith in the legal occupations? It seems there may be some intelligence in playing police if he did not play the role of the killer on the part of WS but with whom and under whose authority?
Another example of how criminals perspectives manipulate police: A scenario in which there is one killer but many different suspects sounds suspicious and almost like a deliberate distraction for police. As well, one killer may achieve power over other criminal's and claim responsibility for as many of the deaths as possible. "...Ridgway said that in the early 1980s he dated 20 to 40 women he did not kill. Misspelling many words, he wrote: "I needed some prostetutes out there that were alive in case I got caught. To say I didn't hurt them." One page, in Ridgway's handwriting, was titled, "Going About Catching the GRK." Here's advice he gave on how to catch the killer: "(1) All custumers don't want photos taken of them with prostitutes. All police cars should carry a small camera (35 mm)(Instamatic). Take pictures of customers with ladys. Out of car & in. Those cameras can be used in other crimes to. If the lady died he would be the last one seen with her. "(2) Better police and prostitute relations. Ever prostitute should be ask if they had bad customer. Would they like to press charges. "(3) All crime sites take vedeo of people watching. (That wouldn't have cought me though) It might catch some other killer... ." This was an apparent reference to police looking at who shows up at crime scenes when a body is found..." #3 Could GR know in advance if a police video was set up and why would other killers not know? What makes GR not predictable to police but prostitute activity predictable to GR? If a prostitute socialized with police would a prostitute be a prostitute at that time of communication? Have these girls/women reached an age of maturity to socialize appropriately in society and economy? Does GR play legal and criminal parent? Does GR play legal and criminal games? What is the advantage GR has over most of these young girls and women and other killers that makes him successful in GRK? Did someone else start and finish the killing trend? Why would the work of one blend into the work of another in a way similar to the policing of serious social crime and what problems may arise in policing these trends? What makes GR different from other killers? Did GR revisit victim sites? Did TB revisit victim sites? Did WS visit victim sites to gather evidence? Who may have known where WS lived and where women lived? Do killers camouflage and manipulate other killers knowingly and unknowingly and what is the knowledge derived from the experience of having killed a person that seems exclusive to killer circles at various stages in killer careers?
Is there a power struggle amongst males involved directly/indirectly in TB, GRK, RP, WS(?), etc. serious social crimes? Are there power struggles within policing units sourced in people of crime? To what extent does organizing the disorganized achieve longevity in criminal careers today in order to meet ongoing challenges of the legal spheres of thought, language and activity? Does involvement with such a theoretical (?) power struggle in crime compromise individual and general public liberty in legal society, education, personal relationships and economy? Do these people involvement at any level with the actual and perceived hierarchies of social crime render them beyond the point of no return and destined only for capture in due time? Is the timeliness of legal society, economy, education, society, personal relationships much less predictable than the timeliness of criminal society and why in the latter is there often a greater sense of urgency with appearance of complacency and vice versa in legal society, economy, education, personal relationships and society? Why do police not change roles in work/life and compare actual permanency of policing relative to predictable and temporary nature of criminal intrusion with only the appearance of permanency? Those unwilling to face the challenges of legal society, relationship development, education and economy do obviously not achieve adulthood. Can structures of adulthood be created and maintained deceptively in order to continue childhood? Why do all serious criminals perceive police to substitute for the role of parent/employer etc.? Does the sex trade worker lose appearance of adulthood and authority without the business of the sex trade as when communicating with police policing? Do power struggles between female and female and male and male in sex trade scenarios when successful result in isolation and disconnection from the group? Consider the female scenario in which competing women form gangs or are organized by "boyfriends" and other periphery business interests (i.e. taxi cabs, hotels, convenience stores, etc.). Consider the male scenario in which pricing determines success in connecting with the female. Why did GRK not just go to a bar? Consider the extent to which an "off the job" sexualized female or still unsocialized parented female will interact more business like with a male client. Is GR acting the role of a truck painter/marriage partner and maintaining this position through power proceeds of crime? What kinds of communication skills/people skills have both these categories achieved during childhood and adulthood and why is there little difference between one and the other? Do females fight over best location? Do males begin trends (i.e. lower prices, non-payment)? What is the cost of continued childhood and/or crime? It appears that those who cannot police themselves although physically adults need to be policed throughout adulthood by either criminal or legal persons.
Who is " R P " ? Was the home in Tigard ever searched? Did WS talk directly with author Roderick Thorp before he died? The theories behind the thinking that may have went on inside the mind of WS is interesting but will never answer ( by themselves) the questions that need answers. To catch a killer who confussed the trail so well would be an enormous task but not impossible. WS is dead, we don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt, just info that will allow us to draw our own conclusions.
RP is Robert Picton of Vancouver, BC Canada. He is another serial killer who is responsible for deaths of some of the missing East End women. The Vancouver Police Department have a link on the website to Missing Women case. These women may have used the sex trade to finance drug purchases (?) . There is little known about what happened at the so called "piggy palace". The occupation of Mr. Picton was a pig farmer. He may also have had other business interests. It seems there was a girlfriend and others who recruited the women to visit him and some of these visits may have resulted in the death of these women. Most of the women may have lived in dowtown hotels. Could drug dealers and associated organized crime hierchies have had a role in the deaths of these women for debts that could not be much higher than 20.00CAD? Would this make economic sense unless there is something else that is going on? Many of the regular clients believed that the organized crime did have something to do with the deaths and were afraid the women might "talk" but this appears just to be "talk". Many of the regular clients of the East End sex trade business are not from the East End but other parts of Vancouver including Coquitlam. The majority of the business is local but it is also lowest prices paid for sex trade in Vancouver which get as low as 10 or 20 CAD. These people seem to take advantage of these women. As well, there is a DEYAS (Downtown East Side Youth Association) which publishes an informal bad date list describing the many bad dates reported by these women. Both the "bad date" clients and the women seem to lack the normal information/human connectivity with legal society to appropriately manage positive outcomes during these interactions. For those who do not use drugs the price is usually higher but there are other problems that are encountered.
It appears either knowingly and/or unknowingly many people confused the trail of the killer, including the killer. The human and information connections that arise from association with the people of the sex trade business are unusual and when the females are removed there is only the male clients remaining. Often these clients will travel to other locations such as Vancouver, BC Canada. You can see the WA license plates on the vehicles in the East End on week ends. As well, when a killer is caught, as in Vancouver BC, there is often a change of clientele and/or change in client behavior (i.e. bring a friend along or speak more on a cell phone when driving through the area vs. previously when the clients drive around and around in trance like states). Consider the extent to which some clients are familiar with other clients when silent but when communicating the lose all memory of other other clients. The same may occur with the women of the East End (i.e. when business is slow women tend to talk to each other more vs. when it is busy). Independence in work (i.e. no formal pimping and perhaps only obligation to drug dealer group) without appropriate knowledge/people skills on any job is very dangerous. Client familiarity cannot be achieved without communication. The idea of familiarity is only a game usually played by a less visible connection to the people of the sex trde business and surfaces only during killer periods and period during which the killer is being caught.
Many of the clients of street level sex trade business are lower income groups with not education. Even with the exception regular (i.e. RP,etc.) a higher payment may result in removing someone from the street until the money is spent making the women work/life more predictable. As well, women are not mobile in communication nor physical mobility. It is not difficult to figure out how much is earned and how much is spent and to manipulate by lowering prices or creating no-pay scenarios. Both client and worker seem very business like. Unfortunately, without appropriate people/communication skills very business like cannot be camouflaged by appearance of being social, personal, educated, etc.. If there is no value in communication including the value of distraction then the probability that something unfortunate will happen is higher. Consider the difficulty TB had with transforming education into real world situations legally and compare to a client without education but with a great deal of legal people experience. If neither have communication/people skills with anyone other than the police to what extent is the activity of these people generating knowledge that discloses illegal activity?
He said he thought often about how not to get caught, and what forensic evidence he was leaving behind. Detectives acknowledge Ridgway was hazy on details, maybe selectively or perhaps because of the sheer number of killings. But they are convinced he has killed dozens more women than the 48. "Did he do this? I don't know," Larson said, referring to the drowning. "He's a sociopath and a pathological liar. He was always telling us something he felt we wanted to hear or for whatever reason he felt would benefit him." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/greenriverkillings/2001855400_ridgway11m.html It seems that new information is introduced to evidence a process beginning at youth. As well, to what extent is under the influence of drugs similar to situation when a person does not distinguish between a dream and reality (i.e. does he remember waking up after the incident and looking at the clock, does he remember going to sleep and what happened that day, afternoon and/or evening, did he usually go swimming alone at that location, etc.). What about polygraphs and hypmotists? Does GR know the difference between reality and dream states? Who were his friends during youth and during adulthood? As well, would these particular incidents evidence a process that had nothing to do with the other killer(s) or clients of these women? Why do adult males play games with adult males via women in these scenarios knowingly or unknowingly? The male group power play is likened to a group of young men who are anti-social in other social scenarios almost like youth at play or returning to the games of youth and making friends amongst each other based on the extent to which they do not get caught by police. Strange! Consider also, that if GR thought he may be homosexual and committed crimes against young men to demonstrate to himself and others that he had no interest in being homosexual to what extent is it similar to gang type warfare developing? What are the weaknesss of these clients in personal relationships, social activity, education and/or employment that seems to evolve into some kind of bonding similar to that which DR (Sherrif) spoke of forming between himself and GR during "talks". Why do the police not evidence similar power plays in police employment or is this only evidenced in criminal interaction for police and public profit and for that purpose only?
Choosing clients in any business is important, particularly in the sex-trade business. Just because a person can pay a fee does not qualify the person as a quality client and just because a service provider is there to take the fee does not qualify the service provider to provide the service? What other kinds of people are involved with people of the sex trade business and how and why? ""...One of them killed; the other chased. One buried bodies; the other notified families when bones were found. One was a woman-hating sociopath; the other a charismatic cop. Last August, King County Sheriff Dave Reichert finally sat down eyeball-to-eyeball with his nemesis of 21 years, the "Green River killer," Gary L. Ridgway. "I think there's a bond there," Reichert told Ridgway during the first of two full days of a one-on-one interview. "I mean, we were young men when we started out on this journey together, you know? Standing on the riverbanks ... "Every life you touched, I was there, and I touched those lives, too, only in different ways..." "http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/greenriverkillings/2001854480_ridgway10m.html """...Um, uh, um, I don't actually remember where I killed 'em 'cause I wasn't planning on killin' any of 'em. And what happens is, um, the, um, I, I, I had, uh, uh, sex with a lotta women and I don't really know where every one I killed ... I don't know where I killed the first one..."" ""...Ridgway told detectives he flew into rages if he thought a prostitute was hurrying him or not enjoying sex, or wouldn't let him kiss her. """I started caring about the prostitutes. I started caring about the woman I was going with and ... plus the scare of the Green River Task Force coming down on me." Reichert said yesterday there was "a certain satisfaction" when he finally got to interview Ridgway last August. "He (Ridgway) was thinking, 'I fooled you for so many years,' " Reichert said. "I was thinking, 'I finally got you, you bastard.' " " ""Reichert turned angry at the end. "You, you chose weak, young women because you're a coward." "Uh, not, no ... " "You're pure evil, and you're a coward ... You got behind 'em, you choked 'em, and you're, you're a, you're a evil, murdering, monstrous, cowardly man." "Yeah, I am," Ridgway replied. "" "If they didn't care for me, I'd, uh, I'd kill 'em." Ridgway showed detectives how he choked women from behind in the crook of his arm. He spoke matter-of-factly: "Some would fight. Some wouldn't. Some would just lay there and, and fight not really hard." He blamed some of his rage on conflict with his second wife, who had divorced him in 1981, kept custody of their son and received $275 a month in child support — all sore points for Ridgway. Ridgway's killings slowed after 1985, when he met his third wife, Judith. He told Reichert she was the most stable thing in his life. About the time he met Judith, he also began going to church and selling Amway products. "You had to care about people, you know," Ridgway said. "That was in one of the books and some of her seminars we went to. When you start caring about people, ... it helps in your business... "" ""Reichert turned angry at the end. "You, you chose weak, young women because you're a coward." "Uh, not, no ... " "You're pure evil, and you're a coward ... You got behind 'em, you choked 'em, and you're, you're a, you're a evil, murdering, monstrous, cowardly man." "Yeah, I am," Ridgway replied. "" Many sex offenders as well as killers play strange games in society, economy and education to achieve private profit. The parasites of criminal religion, economy, society and/or relationships continually search for new victims and new methods to achieve personal profit. Do killers police killers, sex offenders police sex offenders and to what extent are there unexplainable "bond" developing and breaking continually in bad business scenarios where clients and service/product providers are not through legal methods matched to one and other? What circumstances lead to the decision when there is no legitimate communication but focus on both parts on pure sexual or pure economic profit. Is the so called "real world" as simple as these sorts of scenarios which do generate immediate connectivity and short term profit but create serious long term problems. Having knowledge of the weaknesses not only of the service provider qualifications but also the service seeker in these sort of social/financial transactions may render even these groups to servicing another level of crime.
Do sex offenders and killers participate at various levels of knowingness in the camouflage of each other through a variety of creative support systems and to what extent does legal communication disconnect these networks? Why do these people choose to remain anti-social in employment choice, personal relationship and/or social circle and why do they strategically connect to these groups when suspicion of involvement occurs? Can these informal networks be formalized in organized social crime and heirarchy of such crime developing first from knowledge of success in criminal activity and abiity not to get caught by police-school boy like attitude of the criminal who believes "real world" smarter than police. What must be the contrary position to sex offending and killing that would disable these networks and create suspicion - i.e. where the offending group perceives an individual to be the police rather than a victim group?
National Gang Crime Research Center www.ngcrc.com What stages in development result in formation of organized formal gang? Who organizes the disorganized naturally and can these natural structures be artificially imposed upon other groups (i.e. template and no choice perspective)? Why is people/information power important to borderline legal and criminal persons? Can a power position be acheived by developing a group interacting with one and the other but deceiving one at the expense of the other? Do the people of organized financial, social, educational and religious crime observe the successes and failures of criminals? To what extent could collaboration between these spheres evidence same kind of collaboration developing in legal world? Man in the state of nature (i.e. uncivilized) and rendering oneself into this state to achieve barbaric approach to sexualization, money, education and/or socialization with similar types seems to characterize the client/killer/female "fast-cash" approach to problem type interactions of GRK, RP and TB. How does WS fall into one of these categories (i.e. lack of communication about a knowledge gained from participation with a borderline economy peopled by people without formal education gives WS advantage and also choice either not to disclose information, to use information for personal gain or because he too fails to understand how to theorize and/or intellectualize these borderline social/financial transactions. Are the people of the simplest economic, social and educational transactions the most dangerous? Does the simplest economy (i.e. man and woman prior to civilization and language) not result in risk of death for all participants-male and female and young and old)- i.e. due to lack of effort in legal society, economy, relationships there emerges connectivity to world of crime and a person may be of value to criminals whilst ignored or seeking to be ignored by legal society. There is a saying about criminal people "dumb and dangerous" whether or not a formal education has been received a person can be "dumb and dangerous" - i.e. lack of people and information exchange experience, lack of social skills, personal relationship development skills, legitimate problem management skills (i.e. easier to commit an act of violence than it is to communicate for some people), etc.. When independence in society is achieved not as a result of having achieved success in legal socialization, legitimate education, legitimate relationship development paths, legitimate economic activity, etc. to what extent is it purely a deceptive illusion sustained by these systems and not subject to suspicion because the position tends to appear submissive (i.e. increasing feeling of power amongst others by positioning oneself deliberately as "clean up" person and in return not being asked many questions nor required to communicate - informal agreement in legal and borderline economies). Can the existence of sex trade workers and low police attention create perception that the sex trade workers keep sex offenders from offending? Can economic independence of a sex trade worker, student, employee not be legitimate if the individual has not legitimately evidenced actual progress but only appearance of progress?
There are two integrated projects of CofE: Democracy and Violence. Compare the structures and phases of development in individual and group crime disorganization/organization to development of democracy and violence reduction trends. Can physical violence graduate from verbal violence and vice-versa and/or can the two be shared amongst two persons (i.e. police communicting with criminal vs. police when not communicating with a criminal and focus of criminal on need for police to communicte with victims, especially when victims are being killed). Can violence become more illusive in phases of developments as unique knowledge is derived from the experience of violence which cannot be intellectualized by most serious killers but possibly by criminal academics for personal profit: Is disorganized/organized crime in society, economy, education, religion democratic? "Responses to violence in everyday life in a democratic society The project has been set up to respond to the acute concerns about violence and its effects in Europe by mobilising the resources and considerable experience of the Council of Europe related to the theme. In partnership with other international organisations and NGOs, its primary objective is to help decision-makers and other protagonists involved to implement comprehensive policies for combating violence while respecting human rights and the rule of law. The focus is on transversal efforts to prepare and disseminate useful implementation tools which are easily available to all who need them. There are three main themes to the project: policy principles; social developments; prevention strategies. By the end of its three-year mandate (2002-2004) the project will have issued a White Paper on combating everyday violence, brought protagonists together for forums and hearings, developed a data bank on related resources, set up a network of monitoring centres, produced recommendations and guidelines, and prepared handbooks, good practice compendia, teaching manuals and other implementation tools on specific topics." http://www.coe.int/T/E/Integrated_Projects/violence/ What makes violence work in democratic society or does violence work in isolation of democracy? Why do people position themselves in isolation from democracy (i.e. to gain perceived advantage at the expense of --- vs. actual advantage for the benefit of development of democracy)? "Making democratic institutions work This project is the Council of Europe's response to one of the major challenges facing Europe today - to ensure that democratic institutions support and enter into dialogue with all Europeans, including groups that have been, for various reasons, excluded from equal participation in the democratic processes. The aim is to consolidate common European standards that will assist both member states and civil society in setting up coherent policy frameworks and practical instruments to strengthen democratic institutions so that they are representative, transparent and accessible to all, and to encourage the widest and most active participation possible of Europe's citizens. There are three main themes: institutions; participation; elections. Currently work is being supported on globalisation and democracy; respect for legal and ethical standards by public officials; access to official information; participation of foreigners and of youth in public life at local level; initiation of children to the democratic processes; setting technical and political standards for e-voting; exercise of electoral rights by minorities; elimination of family voting; media conduct in elections; and gender balance in decision making." http://www.coe.int/T/E/Integrated_Projects/democracy/
Sex Trade Locations and People Used For Free Entertainment & Personal Profit By All Kinds of People There are many people who drive around sex trade locations and/or seek connectivity with people of sex trade business (clients as well as women) for many different personal reasons. There are many women who visit these locations visibly and/or less visibly for reasons other than direct/indirect involvement with sex trade business. Confusing one with the other can happen where there is no communication and even with communication there is often little trust in what anybody from such locations has to say. Amidst confusion, however, there is opportunity for crime. The speed with which one moves through the area when a criminal can be likened to the speed with which the police move through these areas when looking for crime. How can police and criminals adjust timing or does timing depend upon certain level of familiarity with people of these locations? As well, there is a great deal of males and females driving/walking around just looking at the women of the sex trade business. Are visits to these more isolated locations when not dowtown business/tourist/shopping/restaurant planned events and part of the lifestyle of local people? Is the decision of most people in isolation from general legal public a decision knowingly/ignorantly to participate in crime at various levels? Do these locations naturally tend to attract people vulnerable to anti-social and illegal economic activity? It seems also that these locations are used by people to resolve temporary financial, personal relationship and social problems. When problems are continually resolved in these locations can there be an addictive like dependency upon people similar to the addiction to drugs that leads to discounted sexual activity? Can people discount people through other than financial methods or is this also by choice? Unfortunately, not many people pay much attention to non-business males driving/walking around these areas. There are many no-pay scenarios (i.e. just stare and sometimes masturbate at home about experience or even in cars) and such people do not offer any useful information to anybody since observation is for personal benefit. As well, there are people who have no intention of doing any business but just want to waste people's time and get some "talk" or "voyeur" for free. These people seem to clutter the picture of other observers (i.e. policing). As well, there are other games by youth (age and/or immature adults) on sex trade workers which also involve no-pay scenarios in order to obtain a service free of charge or take advantage of low prices and contribute toward low price trend and it's social/financial disasters whilst looking socially and financially legitimate everywhere else.
Why it is difficult for police to catch serious criminals? -familiarity with people life/work habits (i.e. police familiar with own social groups whilst anti-social criminal is familiar with other anti-social crime groups life/work habits) -familiarity with natural police distraction events and/or organized police distraction events -ability to generate familiarity and to have people participate in a "we are really friends" type games for financial - i.e. continue sex trade business- and personal -i.e. continue being a client of sex trade business -ability to organize "familiarity" events and methods by which this can be achieved The extent to which some of the pre-victim stage women responded to clients as though they were familiar as a response to friendly familiar gesture when being observed by a close boyfriend suggests some kind of unusual activity generating false emotions, trust and/or false "knowingness". Is not one of the possible reasons for collaboration at any knowing or in ignorance level not due to being found out not only if a crime has been committed but also in terms of relationships and employment outside the sex trade business? Is the business for some peope like hunting, fishing, etc. involving new set of skills but evidencing need for people connectivity to perform skills?
Always wondered what made William decide to go to Gonzaga just as the task force was put in place at full strenth? Just another of the many many odd facts that make it impossible for me to dismiss WS as a suspect. Was it something he'd planned for sometime? I mean if he was as interested in the killings as even the folks who deny that he is one of the killers admit he was, why leave just as the heavily publisized task force was in place and the public perception was that the killer would soon be caught? If he wasn't involved as the police say, then was going to Gonzaga a long term plan? or just a quick decision? Awhile back on another crime board there was someone I talked to who always doubted my " more than one killer" theory. He always asked me " what are the odds that two killers like this would either come together at one place in time? or operate seperately? Good question I suppose but one could ask What are the odds that little ole Gary Ridgeway just by luck wondered almost two hundred miles from his home and area of operations to Tigard Oregon, and just by luck dumped bodies within a mile or two from the front door of the second best suspect that would ( in time) emerge from this case? Odds are a funny thing, if these guys didn't know each other than Gary defied the odds and then some by accidently picking the best place in the world to dump bodies in order to draw suspicion towards William Stevens without knowing he was doing it. Just fringe thoughts, not even the most important questions and suspicions I have and have always had about WS.
Have males who have used the sex trade business developed anti-social behaviors toward staff in legal employment structures, personal relationships and communities? Have the evidenced stepping backwords in legitimate paths of development in all or one of the spheres of the legititmate world? Can decline in one sphere also not produce appearance of progress in another (i.e. decline in personal relationship and/or socialization but there is an increase in work productivity or anti-social continuity of work place activity - i.e. person may have created new socialization and new personal relationships in another business group (i.e. rather than resolve personal relationship problems or personal problems - or develop social skills with community) ? Can work performance not have been continued without appropriate socialization and personal relationship development and how do the clients (males) and workers (females) of the sex trade business provide substitute relationships and dangerous dependencies? For example, a client may perceive the activity of sex as something personal and if involved or having had experienced a personal relationship would tend not to change the perception vs. scenario where there is no personal relationship experience and inappropriate perspective toward service and continuity of the service provided by the women - may also develop the perspective of ownership or/and possession or wish to achieve this outcome in reality - i.e. consider the killing of young women a method to prevent what someone may perceive to be criminal and to keep them protected - i.e. to possess in order that they not be possessed by another male type misplaced parental / spousal emotion or to simply create this perspective to manipulate the process to achieve male connectivity and power without communication and female sex services without communication? GR Independent Life/Work vs. W