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hello....ok first of all thts B.S!!! no one is tht fucking sick to do something tht serious...but ya I hope HE BURNS IN HELL!!!! IF HE EVER READS THIS I'M LETTING HIM KNOW HE'S AN ASSHOLE!
GREEN RIVER KILLER FUCK YOU!!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE
Today, is the definition of natural language uncivilized and criminal (i.e. state of nature is lawless)? Is this why there is no evidence of concern from professional philsophers of history? Why Doesn't Kant Care About Natural Language?
Is natural language returning to uncivilized state of nature and beyond? Re: Above Paper: http://academic.udayton.edu/KurtMosser/index.html
Philsophy and Study of Language and Relevance in Crime (i.e. non-civilized communication and methods of communication)?
Useful Links For Study of Philosophy and Understanding Methods and Language: http://www.rbjones.com/rbjpub/logic/log024.htm
"Possible Worlds - an introduction to logic and it's Philosophy" http://www.rbjones.com/rbjpub/logic/log016.htm
Uses and Abuses of Logic and Language: http://www.rbjones.com/rbjpub/logic/log025.htm#fol
Logic Explained Explains Complex Tech/Human Applications: http://www.rbjones.com/rbjpub/logic/log025.htm#fol
Study of Language , Mind and Body and Origins of Words and Origin of Activity (as language form): http://www.wesleyan.edu/wesmaps/course0304/col112f.htm
Can philosophy assist understanding and resolving problems of crime? http://www.epistemelinks.com/Main/MainText.aspx
Study of Language and Linguistics & Human/Computer Intelligence Systems: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/nlp.html
Need to understand nature of human criminal mind. http://www.cognitivesciencesociety.org/contact.html
Hey, I know you think he may not have acted alone but you don't need to put it after every single fucking one that he admitted to killing. It's redundant and makes the site very unappealing.
"THE NUMBER "81" STANDS FOR HA (HELLS ANGELS) THE H IS THE EIGTH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET IS H AND THE FIRST IS THE A."http://www.hellsangelsforever.com/ If AA used in GRK's by whom other than psychic and what does 11 mean?
"JUSTICE eREPORT Studies Investigate False Convictions Vol. 3, No. 15 April 21, 2004" Read More: http://msg1svc.net/servlet/Gateway?p=pfm&u=2431&et=T&s=216814
there is a http://ww.bikers4kid.org as well (re: exploited and missing)
"Study Suspects Thousands of False Convictions" http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/19/national/19DNA.html
"More About William" Link on http://www.greenriverkiller.com has a word "comelian" which should be spelled "chameleon" (3. a changeable or inconstant person http://www.bartleby.com/61/29/C0232900.html
Hey i want to know what this serial killer was charged with...I want to know the verdict and the sentence he was given...
I beleive he had some help and then possibly killed his helpers also to hard to kill that many people with out some help
its not in the same league with the zodiac website (yet) but its very good!
http://zodiackiller.com has a link to this website.
http://www.zodiacmurder.com Charles Manson/Zodiac Link? Compare to WS and GR?
""I have always believed that Manson and the Zodiac killer were connected" Frank Fowles Former Inyo County District Attorney and Vallejo Attorney " http://www.zodiacmurders.com/quotes.html
"The chief suspect named in "The Zodiac / Manson Connection" loved England and had traveled there at least twice." http://www.zodiacmurders.com/name.html
"Manson referred to z "as the last in line" and related that philosophically. He also mentioned a "Z Team" that he had doing his bidding" http://www.zodiacmurders.com/name.html
TW explanation of CM killings and concept of general plan or scheme: http://www.zodiacmurders.com/tex_talk.html
Deaths on plane included in TW story: http://www.zodiacmurders.com/tex_talk.html
Many of ZK greeting cards postmarked "27". 940 is Alameda County. http://www.zodiacmurders.com/74_christmas_card.html
"The starting and stopping point of the circle part of the crossed circle symbol on the envelope is at the 1 o'clock position. Mike Rodelli feels this is a Zodiac trait..." http://www.zodiacmurders.com/ch9_envelope.html A in the alphabet?
"...Manson and Davis felt that 9 (as in "Revolution 9") had a great significance..." http://www.zodiacmurders.com/ch9_envelope.html Copycat murders but what if same letters and numbers?
What about license plates in street sex trade business (abuse of people with certain numbers and letters)?
again ,they sould tie that SoB to some blocks and send him to the bottem of the ocean,alive!!!!!!! ,
Tex talks about giving into demands of terrorists. Did Manson family perceive themselves to be terrorists? What about GRK and OBL's activities? http://www.zodiacmurders.com/tex_talk.html
ZK and TB both evidence victims victim of being good samaritan, in opposite role scenarios: http://www.zodiacmurders.com/victim_tashman.html
"...age of the nomadic serial killer..." http://www.zodiacmurders.com/victim_tashman.html Was GRK's and RP's the age of basic domestic serial killer?
Symbolism, poetry and landscapes in work of serious criminals: http://www.zodiacmurders.com/victim_tan.html
".... . I shall change the way the collecting of slaves. I shall no longer announce to anyone when I commit my murders..."http://www.zodiacmurders.com/victims.html Can unfinished work of one killer be continued by another?
TK (unabomber) and similarities to ZK and similarities amongst other serious criminals including terrorists. http://www.olesin.50megs.com/zodiac/ted_kaczynski.htm
All the serious killer in crime trend take long breaks, reminding of summer vacation, etc.?http://www.olesin.50megs.com/zodiac/ted_kaczynski.htm
Is there a sense of urgency (i.e. end of world) in practice of criminal activity (thought to be religion by criminal)? Is 1 anything but 1:00 on the 24 hour clock but is perceived to be opposite (according to serious criminal)?
Compare Manson family positioning close to victims to victims positioning in community of GR and compare to WS positioning. What methods achieve same ends in developments of similar crimes and in history of similar crimes?
"... "America's destiny is to police the world." Harvard's Michael Ignatieff agreed. "Imperialism doesn't stop being necessary," he said, "just because it is politically incorrect." ..." (see, www.cato.org Daily Dispatch)
Is imperialism, nationalism and/or colonialism theory relevant to people of crime or in study of people of crime?
ZK letter: "... please help me. I cannot reach out for help because this thing in me wont let me...". Is ZK acting out ZK and what is relevant relationship between ZK and TK activity (i.e. GRK and OBL)?
ZK above letter quote quoted from: http://www.geocities.com/zodiacmystery/SUSPECTS3.html
CM:""United States of Cowards... All you have is muscle. You don't have any mind. Are you proud?""CharlieManson.com CM and GRK's perform same mindless activity. Why is CM mind perception different than legal people?
Def. of Natural Language As Mirror of Activity?: "...They cannot see Clem and Squeaky behind them, imitating his every movement, communi- cating in a silent animal language..." http://www.charliemanson.com/rolling-stone-2.htm
"But the decadence of history is looking for a pawn To a nightmare of knowledge he opens up the gate... That beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate" (CharlieManson.com/rolling-stone-1.htm
Theif on the other cross in crucifixion "Is Manson Son of Man?" and is CM gospel of man also? http://www.charliemanson.com/rolling-stone-1.htm
Relevance, if any, of RP pig farm and CM, GRK's etc. to criminals?
Relevance of weight gain/loss in criminals and victims today to other criminals and relevance of this also to musicians (i.e. Beatles, CM) in music writing of history and today?
Roman Polanski film fantasy vs. reality of life in crime. When does fantasy become a reality and why are satanic fantasies dangerous to life?: Ninth Gate Interview: http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/InterviewFour.htm
BTK expert getting results? http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/nation/8359620.htm
Fantasy of mind and reality of activity in crime, see, http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/DanceOfTheVampiresSplash.htm
"...SAVES HER FROM VAMPIRES Sharon Tate snuggles up against Roman Polanski, the intrepid adventurer who has rescued her from dreaded vampires..." http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/DanceOfTheVampiresArticles.htm
Compare the rejection patterns and acceptance patterns and consequences of sharing food consensually and patterns and methods of obtaining consent and planned consequences.
"You sense s6omething unpleasant ... at the dinner table, ...there exists an unpleasant undercurrent that lurks beneath the neighbourly pleasantries..." http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/RosemarysBaby.htm
Compare fantasy work with reality work and perceptions of good and evil in the film, music and reality business? Satanism in adults/youth as perceived by adults/youth and in title (i.e prostitutes as evil).
Abuse of drugs and illegal sex in Hollywood and at street level connects two different types of characters?
"If there is an error of human judgment, I am the human." http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/mulholland.htm
"The Rape of the Owens Valley (1904-1913, and following) Not a sex scandal, but a land grab. " http://enigma.cs.ucla.edu/games/beauregard/scandals.html
Reality and Fantasy Portrayed: "...Are the other Tenants in fact Satanists? He becomes obsessed about the previous occupant, now dead, and begins take on many of her characteristics..." http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/TheTenant.htm
Tenants of Thought vs Activity? "...The film has themes reminiscent of Kafka's writing flowing through it; ... focuses on the subject of insanity and alienation..." http://minadream.com/romanpolanski/TheTenant.htm
Do real life actors and actors in drama of crime both require directors? Actor Perspective and Tragedy: http://www.jamesdean.com/about/quote/quote2.html
Movies and Realities and Plagairism:""Some Windows Should Never Be Opened....A writer is accused for plagiarism by a strange man, who then starts haunting him for "justice". .."http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363988/
Roman Polanski's The Pianist also provides perspective about war and struggle for survival perspectives" "Tagline: Music was his passion. Survival was his masterpiece." seems comparable to CM predicament. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253474/
There are many creative definitions of profits and prophets in life and work.
Stars in Zodiac of Crime vs. other scenarios and links between one and the other?
"It was an accident, although I’ve been involved in some kind of theatrical function or other since I was a child – ... To me, acting is the most logical way for people’s neuroses to manifest themselves,..." (www.jamesdean.com Quote)
I`ve been reading your site as i`m currently two thirds through Bob Keppel`s book "Ted and I hunt The Green River Killer" And from what i`ve seen here on this site i`m sure that theres a BIG something wrong woth this investigation from the start
As a mother my heart crys for all the pain and despair you are going through may god be with your precious children and guied them all home xxxx
All professions, businesses and academics should "plan out crime": "... can all play their part in making streets, homes and parks safer places, says new government guidance." www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page5715.asp
International Society for Research on Aggression: http://www.israsociety.com/ one of many links of Homicide Working Research Group.
im doing a report on the Green River Killer and this site has helped me a lot.
Democracy should not be taken advantage of by the few. Even in China people value opportunity for religious, political and economic freedoms: "3. President Hu urges people's democratic participation"People's Daily April 28, 2004
"Rick Ross, an international cult expert, said Manson followers like Davis were likely brainwashed through isolation and drugs..." http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispotribune/8353635.htm Relevance to GRK's?
Is the most important resource for education not society and economy. It is unusual that highest value should be placed at all on any one group of people anywhere.
Good Link: Rick Ross Institute for Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements http://www.rickross.com/
Perceptions about polygamy in sex trade business use where use involves young women should be researched. See and compare: http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy103.html
"[Cults] prey on the most lonely, vulnerable people they can find, cage you with your own mind ..., cut you off from everyone...they don't need armed guards to keep you. Liars, tricksters, ..." http://www.rickross.com/mind_control.html
Cult Deprogramming Information: http://www.rickross.com/deprogramming.html
"Is the Self-Knowledge Symposium leading Students to spirituality, or creating the mindset of a cult ..." http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general181.html
Can independent economics of WS seem likened to self-knowledge acquisition or cult type economics of crime?
"Shrouded in Secrecy Could cults be a threat to your family? Woman and Home, April 1995 Parents who have lost children to so-called religious cults..." http://www.rickross.com/reference/icc/ICC156.html
Attraction of youth sexual abuse draws criminals to satanism or categorizes criminals as satanists? What is "memory recovery"? http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism74.html
Can "memory recovery" be manipulated in order to outsmart polygraphists?
"The Hard Facts About Satanic Ritual Abuse " http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism12.html
"...We are explorers on the untrodden paths of science, human motivation and mystery—all that is most truly occult..." http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
Deism, non-intervention by God, First Mover (similar to Prime Mover of Philosophy?) etc. see, Satanism Today: http://www.purgingtalon.com/video/
What did 5, 1 on cube beside victim mean? What is meaning of broken pencil and three small bones? Does 5 mean pentagon?
Could any of the serial killers have "borrowed" any ideas from anybody else to deceive about identity and belief? What about idea expressed in art in legitimate practice? http://www.taylor9.com/
Could the police and intended victim timing have been better if the killer timing had failed and if the female was not arrested for working (before or after) would she have been reporting the crime?
If a victim avoided being killed did the intended victim continue to work whilst the killer avoids targeting the same intended victim? When GR picks up a working girl and does not murder did he ever go back to murder the same working girl?
What about the coincidence of leaving hotel to buy cigarettes in the victim activity profile? How might the GR killings evidence a different pattern than other killers who stalk the same victim continually until a homicide is achieved?
Could there have been obervation of GR at various levels by another killer(s)? What might the two different approaches suggest about awareness/knowledge of condition/circumstances by both killers?
"Thailand: Drugs or religion? 29/04/2004 13:19 - (SA) "http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1519307,00.html
"Woman sent voodoo doll and curse in post...figure is also wearing a pentagram pendent with the cord tied in a noose round its neck. "http://www.itvregions.com/news.php?region=Yorkshire&content=3195
Wesson Murders (9): "...Police said Wesson engaged in incest and polygamy, fathering children with his daughters and nieces..."http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/news/042704_nw_wesson.html
What are all the methods of brainwashing people and are the methods undetectable? Is restricted/broad knowledge/experience of victims and killer not relevant in individual crime prevention?
Story of River Phoenix raised in cult: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38110 Are there less visible cult activities (and new knowledge forthcoming) procuring serious crime outcomes?
Cult? Type? Method? Objective? See, http://www.cultnews.net/
In Sheeps Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative PeopleGeorge K Simon (A.J. Christopher, 1996) http://www.rickross.com/reference/books/reading_list.html
Blinded by Deceit Joanne Hansen (Beaver Pond Press 2002) Surviving Domestic Violence, Voices Of Women Who Broke Free Ed.D. Weiss Elaine (Agreka Books, 2000)http://www.rickross.com/reference/books/reading_list.html
Where is the real WS campus? Cults on Campus: Continuing Challenge Marcia Rudin http://www.rickross.com/reference/books/reading_list.html
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For those who strive to solve this case COMPLETELY.....don't ever give up hope. The answers will come. I wish I had them to give, but they will come.
For those who strive to solve this case COMPLETELY.....don't ever give up hope. The answers will come. I wish I had them to give, but they will come.
The police sketeches appear to be four different people. Two are dark haired and the other is blonde (top left)? These are probably four different people. The bottom right seems closer to appearance of WS and TB.
Top left blonde looks similar to a person then known to Lincoln City police and drove Pacific Coast Hwy.
American Psychoanalytic Association http://www.apsa.org should maybe provide some insight into GRK's in collaboration with other professionals.
There should have been programs similar to current United Kingdom government programs in crime reduction (www.crimereduction.gov.uk) and www.takingastand.org during GRK's.
What kinds of economic and education system weaknesses are exposed when serious social criminals are left uncaught? Could collaboration of various professions and academics have produced a more timely end (or prevention) of GRK's, etc.?
What do GRK's suggest about needs identification in education processes of adults, youth, academics and professionals, etc.?
Could pursuit of private and isolated interest in higher education have contributed toward continuity of serious social crime? To what extent today are police depending upon DNA needs as well as crime prevention in education systems at all levels?
Are the people of communication not equally (or more, or less) important than the content? When is balance not achieved? Can better grades or better performance be achieved by speaking to better people, and at what cost and to whom?
Mind training: a grade booster or brainwashing?" http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing40.html Mind (or communication) training for instructor and student for better grades and/or better money scenarios as in GRK's.
Could WS performance after suspected involvement with people of GRK's negatively or positively changed course results? Could sustaining performance be contingent upon new people or, are "outside" associations not also as destructive as drugs?
Does catching spirits and throwing them out to sea not simply displace problem? Can spirits be specific people with names, experiences who may not be dead?http://www.rickross.com/reference/exorcism/exorcism10.html
Can transcendental also be focused (i.e. locational and/or people) in various practices of meditiation? "Meditating and making money " http://www.rickross.com/reference/tm/tm8.html
http://www.trancenet.org/research/ Covers dissociation with TM.
"Pseudo-Identity and the Treatment of Personality Change in Victims of Captivity and Cults" http://www.trancenet.org/research/west.shtml
"...Dissociative phenomena are not necessarily symptomatic of illness, ... normal psycho-biological modulation of information -- incoming, stored, and outgoing -- by the brain (West, 1967). ..." http://www.trancenet.org/research/west.shtml
"...Conditions of brutal captivity, such as those experienced by prisoners of war (POWs) ... in which the captor seeks to force a false confession...in which dissociative features are prominent" http://www.trancenet.org/research/west.shtml
Can dissociative states be imposed by dissociative state people temporarily to manipulate an outcome?
Is there any basis to compare and contrast WS with Patty Hearst experience, or any other GRK? http://www.claykeck.com/patty/bio/patricia.htm
"The chaotic events of the 60's, including war and social change, seemed destined to continue in the 70's..." American Cultural (& Cults) History 70's see, http://kclibrary.nhmccd.edu/decade70.html for information about
What were people reading and doing in 60's, 70's and 80's may be relevant to better understanding context (maybe cause and consequences if blame is apportioned) of crime.
Popular Culture in 1970's in USA and in 1980's: http://www.jtsears.com/seventies.htm
Can the dissociative state achieved by trance result in physical contact with other people randomly but when awareness is achieve planned interactions? See, http://www.trancenet.org
Can dissociated state ground in human activity including communication? Can ds produce language evidenced in subsequent activity of another human being? Can the ds produce unique observation?
Does dissociative state achieve association with interest area naturally and artificially? What is basis of consent as understood by the dissociated and as understood by an interest area, if ever?
transcendental vs. grounding in human activity experience by dissociative state people should be researched and theorized.
Can dissociative state acheived through TM achieve results in crime but not legal and legitimate progress? Can ds explain appearance changes and activity but where activity is not consistent with the appearance (i.e. deception/camouflage)?
Can TM label anti-social avoiding communication activity and medititating upon other than legal activity?
Can dissociative state people simply disrupt work/life of others for entertainment where state changes from transcendental to focus group then back to transcendental state to avoid detection?
Definition of Enlightenment and definition of TM? "How Much Does Enlightenment Really Cost?" http://trancenet.org/start/index.shtml
"...After all, no matter what their ideologies, cults have more in common than differences dividing them -- when viewed from the outside." (How Much Does Enlightenment Really Cost? http://www.trancenet.org/start/index.shtml#knapp
Did WS stalk GR or work of GR or both? Could anybody else have stalked GR? Could observation of GR crime by someone who reported nothing about what he saw amount to stalking?
Historical and current stalking methods and objectives to achieve power and control of more than one victim suggests OC http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=DB_Power_andcontrolinstalking949
"Through hypnotic suggestion, it may be possible to create temporary distortions of values, viewpoints, or perceptions of reality,..."( http://www.trancenet.org/research/west.shtml compared to use of drugs/alchohol and fantasy/reality crime.
Are individuals not more easily controlled in random activity? Do criminals prospect for criminal potential to be realized when people are isolated, using drugs, etc.? http://www.trancenet.org/research/west.shtml
What increases crime control over conditions/success of planned crime (i.e. plan phases are interactive at least visible level and may involve hypnosis of individuals unknowingly in order to get further control over people of location, etc.)?
GR and GR victims both try to do business of crime without getting caught? What might be the link creating these pattern of thought and activity? What is relevance of business crime communication strategy?
Pick and choose strategy of GR is opposite to position of victims (they can decline or accept but if in hardship or employment frame of mind it is unlikely decline).
What if females who were not killed were remembered by GR who claims not to remember names and faces? Did he see any of the others more than one time? Why, if so, did they not say anything?
Why is "pick and choose" important in reality of the legal world and criminal world? If GR remembered who he did not kill was his memory that short? Did GR stalk specific victims (i.e. hotel incidents)?
It appears that removing people of sex trade business removes any connections, maybe from sex trade business user perspective. What happens to everybody else? Why were the connections made in the first place? No consequences?
If GR claims to have killed for cash does he choose the wealthiest of the women? Why would he claim to kill for cash? What does this evidence about organized crime that may also include WS and others.
If there was no sex trade business and GR was not genuine family person would GR have managed to maintian employment and/or appearance of being a normal human being? What about WS study?
Does OC study disorganized crime for opportunity and if any transition occurs will crime still appear random and disorganized?
Attracting favourable and non-favourable attention (for victim and criminal) when profitable to criminal involves ongoing criminal activity and timing contingent upon criminal's needs..
If GR sexualization with sex trade workers produces ongoing employment and there was a connection why would the death of the women evidence that the connection/sexualization is not with the women?
GR's involvement at later stages in GRK's evidences less need for sex than to murder. This is unusual. Does outside sexual activity correspondingly increase and/or decrease? Is outside sexual activity to avoid suspicion or a need?
Getting connected has recently become important to people of the legal world? What are the many different methods and objectives used by criminals when interacting to control/manipulate profit from people in legal society?
Do criminals create and/or maintain crime? Do criminals intercept to manage/acquire/control other criminals crimes? Frequency and continuity of similar crimes seems to evidence gathering of interests and people at various levels.
Through similar methods used by criminals can criminals of sex trade business, can other criminals spouse either/or to criminal and/or victim of criminal or create separate pattern without detection?
Do criminals profit from criminals using same methods used upon victims but result in crime collaboration through evidencing ability to deceive?
GR inappropriate social talk in the workplace seems to evidence greater existence of crime. Consider that if the ultimate crime would be for someone to social talk 24/7 as a result of the same activity.
"...someone to social talk 24/7 as a result of the same activity." How would this be achieved and/or camouflaged in apparent randomized interactions with no apparent communication, no apparent victim and no apparent criminal?
If same theoretical conditions of one specific serious social criminal were recreated elsewhere what specifically might be predictably be alterred and what specifically would continue?
When does and when does a criminal(s) not "pick and choose", if every, depending upon level of criminality achieved? Can a crime be turned "inside out" by a criminal (i.e. externalizing in opposite direction temporarily until focused)?
When a person and/or group with a criminal history is uncaught how might exposure to legal world result in negative reactions w/out socail talk? To avoid this outcome what might criminal(s) do to avoid detection and continue crime?
WS travels a great deal? Why might outerbody experiences by criminals achieve same result in avoiding familiarity in order to continue crime at another level?
Female victims of GR are not involved with GR for personal reasons but purely financial reasons. How does non-personal sex service differ from GR outcome from using sex service? Why might this be relevant?
All the female GR victims were chosen for many reasons (i.e. due to youth does GR not commit a crime against parents of youth)? Was GR killings convenience of broad range of people rather than a specific group?
GR's prospecting for victims appears random. What might connect GR with a specific person at a specific time about which a theoretical "other" criminal might manipulate? Would this explain GR not getting caught by chance timing by anybody?
Montitoring of employment by "outside" groups in both criminal work and legal work where it is unknown to employees in both scenarios can evidence phase of development in legal as well as criminal knowledge.
"What might connect GR with a specific person at a specific time about which a theoretical "other" criminal might manipulate? ..." Would this mean that a theoretical other would be on the job of crime 24/7 with a specific and general victim group?
"Would this mean that a theoretical other would be on the job of crime 24/7 with a specific and general victim group? " other than the most visible victim group of females and why? Is it OC?
CRO seemed to be out on the road a great deal. Transients are also of this nature only not formally employed nor grounded in relationships.? Is CRO not more a situation of actual convenience than GRK's?
What levels can transience appear to be achieved and what levels can transience actually achieve and why are the two scenarios in conflict historically?
Roadways (transportation systems) provide many opportunities for crime in random mobile social activity. Compare to public library. Why might the comparison be relevant in crime prevention awareness?
Do criminals with history of apparent success in employment and family not perceive opportunity in those with whom they most closely identify financially (i.e. if it were not for x and y and z the criminal would be what he/she perceives as victim)?
Users of sex trade business have something in common be they murderer, raper, etc.. Can defining what the user is not assist in the identification of shared interest which may be similar perspective-need for sex trade to survive?
Is there evidence of events around GRK's being manipulated though not necessarily in most visible levels of communication between GR, co-workers, community and family?
Are there a less visible structure of relationships emerging which may gradually replace most visible relationship structures of GR in work and life? Could it be argued that less visible relationships become controlling relationships?
GR seems to dislike idea of paying for sex. Is GR looking for sex as part of a normal relationship with sex trade workers and if so why does he not meet them off the street as a non-client?
Idea of "pick and choose" and dislike of spending money upon interest person seems unusual in relationships. Where does GR develop an attitude that is really not consistent with others in visible and legal work/life?
Do criminals try to control not only women but also men (movement from crime controlling men of crime toward crime controlling men of employment and women at various levels but in OC non random approach)?
Can persistency in criminal pest like behavior when trying to associate with uninterested people be redirected negatively and positively, at various levels and through various activities by non-criminals? What about criminalization strategy?
Do 24/7 criminals play games with legal people in effort to entertain or send a message? Who may and who may not most likely respond positively and negatively?
Can dissociative state people temporarily (or even permanently when experience is perceived to be of value) themselves not only experience "alterred reality" but cause "alterred realities" temporarily and/or permanently upon others?
Can dissociative state be chosen and maintained to experience or manipulate other people toward desired outcomes? Can dissociative states evidence criminalization processes in opposition to objectives of visible group TM.
Can dissociative states alter realities for people through work/life surrounding people/circumstance manipulation and later through direct impact results? If only appearing to criminal as successful will the former in reality lead to latter?
If not successful in alterring realities for others but successful in alterring one's own reality where is the evidence of attempt and consent or non-consentual effort? What might, in the effort, evidence historical successes?
"If not successful in alterring realities for others...?" Where direct impact is not successful will the ds group(s) ground in another crime group to introduce concept? What if appearance/ actual victim group circumstance is unchanged (i.e. RP)?
Great website. very well researched and thought provoking. best wishes, Andy Owens (British author)
input and ouput in human communication and activity systemes could be relevant when sourcing the idea or/and activity to a person and/or group.
"Lone female sex predator prepares for move to men's facility GIG HARBOR, Wash. (AP) — For the past six years, convicted child rapist Laura Faye McCollum ..." http://www.courttv.com/news/2004/0503/female_ap.html
"Research confirms that teachers are the single most important factor in raising student achievement.." see, http://www.ed.gov OVAE review
GRK's evidences time for needs identification and change. Compare to foreign experience where democracy is limited: http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200404/27/eng20040427_141620.shtml
Do the females of sex trade play games with the clients or are they open and honest and why might this be important at all times. Why not find another job where income is higher and if not is it because of drugs or youth?
Periphery/center theories may apply when female is a focus as when male is a focus in borderline economies and may involve many peripheried interest areas managed by expertise.
Could criminal's practicing upon above borderline economies point of entry and at higher levels achieve success? Why or why not? Compare large corporation to small buiness and independent bus. (home/office).
Where bus. depends upon client volume and not family could scenarios from street level be applied and would client type not determine level of success?
Do employers and clients not look carefully at company background when reviewing history of people/work activity? Do staff not communicate about outside workplace relationships and what if there is no visible or no rel.
Did GR know he would not get another job or did WS know he would not get hired? Why is this knowledge important and would the work performance not need to be "perfect"? What if performance depended upon outside sales success?
When entering new job do people (criminals and legal) not need to be familiar with industry and target markets? What if a criminal had a business target vs. what if a crime group had an employee target? What adjustments would occur?
Compare possible strategy if a crime group was criminally familiar with a community through criminal methods vs. legal business person familiar with a community professionally vs. socially (timing).
Consider the theoretical possiblity of connections between series of serious crimes in historical social crime. If theorized as never before what is the probability that the crime will continue or be discontinued?
During "time off" do the killers start at new locations if "time off" was due to suspicion at the location and to wait out the suspicion. These intermissions may involve thought but without group think how is "thinking" possible (i.e. social talk)
If theoretical connections existed which connect one serious social crime to another would the crime still exist or be evidenced as or as not existing if the front line was removed?
Do unknowingly criminals at large become responsible for periphery and core focus success? Is the fear of committing crime stronger today than historically and to what extent can communication focus/unfocus crime?
No. 13 - "The Purpose and Limits of Government," by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, 41 pp, 256 kb) • No. 12 - "The Rise of Government and the Decline of Morality," by James A. Dorn, 1996 (PDF, 13 pp, 197 kb) www.cato.org Cato Letters
Do killers just stop and start and if so why would they decide about "time off" since it is not relevant if they are not caught during the crime? What makes it start (thought process/decision making) when there is only apparent one.
Non-genuine socail communication is same as avoiding others in work place. It inappropriately professionalizes social relationships and actually dehumanize the others, although appearing the opposite.
Should social communication evolve in workplace or is workplace the gradual evolution of professional communication. experience of outside social communication evolution vs. evolution and committment to professionalism, which is which and where?
Consider the retail person who communicates with friends outside the retail store via telephone and compare to retail person who focuses upon developing good customer skills with customers. How do each sell?
Compare diff. locations highly communicative (land,air,sea) to non-communicative non-work environments perceptions and choices (i.e. increase in communication where economic liberty has historically been restricted vs. decrease.
In countries where people have developed a perception that liberty is restricted due to faulty economic perceptions what might be relevance of genuine change obervation that can assist in better understanding old attitudes about class difference?
Where business ownership produces smaller profit but more freedom will same situations natually evolve into profit? Do criminals take ownership of busines of crime and why will perception about crime be different from others?
"...business ownership produces smaller profit but more freedom will ..." What if timing of crime intercepts development in evolution of profit? What kind of profit (i.e. social/economic) evolves, for whom, what phase and why (in non/collaboration) ?
Which happens first, crime detection or crime prevention? Should other countries not today implement crime prevention and become unified based upon global crime reduction programs?
"... the retail person who communicates with friends outside the retail store via telephone and compare to retail person who focuses upon developing good customer skills with customers. How do each sell?" Compare to religion, education, gov.systems
If a female of the victim category saw only one person one time would the probability of being a GR victim/survivor be higher or lower and why? What about involvement of regular customers collaborating to ensure well-being or not?
"What about involvement of regular customers collaborating to ensure well-being or not? " How do client/worker attitudes reflect historical workplace unethical/ethical behaviors? How can majority attitudes predict/shape disaster/success?
How can high turnover in service provider/receiver scenarios camouflage crime in apparent chaos/order scenarios? What and how can chaos be generated in one area to imposes appparent order in another should be theorized to determine connections.
If GR was restrained from committing an act of violence would he revert to verbalizing the violence openly or secretively? Consider the two outcomes and achieving continuity in latter process?
How is a relationship sale made when appearance in not attractive nor dressed up in an effort to be more attractive? What kind of sale is made in STB when this happens (i.e. sympathy, etc.)? Are these appropriate sales with appropriate results?
Could dressing more/less conservatively assist sales in sex trade business or is it business of communication-false from true and what is the risk (i.e. theft of communication)? Does the dress/appearance communicate purpose?
Forms of evidence of language of violence (physical attack of another person) when spoken, written, acted out and how forms may be camouflaged/disguised should be researched. Do people abuse violence to produce profit or is this illusive progress?
GR Addresses Family. Despite the content of the speach on Courttv.com the talk and tears do not seem genuine. What prompted this after the victim deaths (timing)? GR is neither freind nor family to these women and did not come forward until DNA.
It is unfortunate that the victims did not have an opportunity to have families and employment, unlike GR. It was unfortunate GR took too much advantage of liberty for too long and compromised the liberties of many others.
GR seems to have little, if any, emotions toward direct family. What is the emotional baggage (weight gain/loss) and what is and is not communicated during the process when informal/formal?
Is the family like a parent during crime whilst the state is a parent after crime? If so, what does this indicate about socialization and maturity and decision making ability of GR and similar types?
Does thinking happen before/during/after crime with beer or open group think? What about females communication/non-communication activity before/during/after? Do they drink beer/eat alone or communicating with friends about other issues and why?
How does alchohol in domestic violence differ from alchohol in public violence? overindulgence with alchohol over long term with escalating violence vs. more controlled in pv in STB but similar outcome risk in short term and long term
WS avoids familiarity? familiar in crime perceptions (i.e. lack of maturity to have a spouse) and faulty perception development process of persons vulnerable to domestic and public violence should be researched
What makes people sound different and behave different or avoid communication and exposing experience?(i.e. new experience having impact, new business task - i.e. non-comm. to communication job and transformation of human experience)?
What if GR is only emotional when he is speaking in court and even in court in silence there is nothing to indicate he is thinking emotionally about the issue. Does GR only think about crime when he drinks beer after?
courttv.com admission statements reveal that when GR is asked the first of a series of questions the tone of his voice changes (after period of silence) as he is asked more questions at closer intervals
job retention and advancement are important focus areas it is too bad GR achieved neither and chose to focus to commit crime http://www.strategy.gov.uk/output/Page4164.asp
"The Support Economy: Why Corporations Are Failing Individuals and the Next Episode of Capitalism"...conclude that the era of managerial capitalism is drawing to a close." see http:/www.harvardbusinessonline.com
"Imagine, if you will, a time before God spoke everything into existence. There is literally nothing except God...." http://msg1svc.net/servlet/Gateway?p=pfm&u=2516&et=T&s=216814
Helter Skelter: weight, gender, culture and warfare: "...Once blacks found they couldn't run the world on their own, the Manson Family would be in position to take over..."www.charliemanson.com
father of lies? http://www.goodfight.org/a_sataniccults.html SA association with Cof S.
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness."(2 Corinthians 11:13-15) Criminals and legal people today?
Center for Studies of New Religions suggests new Manson cult: http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Concerned.htm
I believe he didnt do it. I think that he thinks that he needs some help.
relationships not programs or both create effective change: http://www.justicefellowship.org direct article: http://msg1svc.net/servlet/Gateway?p=pfm&u=2567&et=T&s=216814
"9. Mary Bridgett Meehan, 19"(Victims link page) does the small plastic tube suggest drug related activity involved but not necessarily in connection with MM or GR? Is GR just playing around with items?
Another interesting site is glossary of UK MOD, particularly as applies to behavior and maturity models and modeling: http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/docs/aqmatmod/what_is.htm
"...A key factor of SMART Acquisition is that no one will succeed by just doing their bit – they will need to work with others and all doing their bit together...." http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/docs/aqmatmod/what_is.htm
"... EFQM describes in general terms and principles, the types of things that excellent organisations do to achieve long term success, whatever their business..." http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/docs/aqmatmod/what_is.htm
"...Acquisition Policy and Process Ownership Maturity Model - a Maturity Model that outlines the key behaviours, risks and benefits of policy and process ownership..." http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/topics/2523.htm
Performance measures and targets in legal and other than legal activity can be documented as process of development evidencing one or the other and targets of each: http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/randr/active/pg000106.htm
External Assistance People in Work Systems Example: http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/topics/pages/2557a.htm
Quality Management in legal systems info. comp/theorize about criminal systems developments: http://www.efqm.org/
another interesting website facilitating understanding of criminal and legal systems, processes of development and performance measure/targets http://www.balancedscorecard.org/
"...When fully deployed, the balanced scorecard transforms strategic planning from an academic exercise into the nerve center of an enterprise...." http://www.balancedscorecard.org/basics/bsc1.html
Social and Economic Value of Crime Reduction Through Global Participation Beginning At Local Levels Should Be Measured and Monitored Continuously. Models of Excellence http://www.ams.mod.uk/ams/content/docs/bemmodel.doc
Did GR think that he was doing a favor for the police? If so, what gave him this perspective (i.e. silent public consensus) if perspective was derived during temporary exposures to public and/or police?
"...How was it possible for one man to kill so many young women while virtually surrounded by police? ..." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/local/greenriver/1987/part1.html
Could GR be blaming women for other than sexual inadequacy, if such a perspective existed? What might sexual inadequacy perspectives produce? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/local/greenriver/1987/part6a.html
Is GR doing two different jobs (i.e. criminal and legal) where existence of one depends upon the other, or at least the perspective that such a position exists? If GR does not have this perspective why do others perceive differently?
Does GR speak violently even when not involved in GRK's (i.e. after jail)? If anger could be vocalized why would it not, after jail, be inappropriately misdirected (i.e. as with social talk)? How is human energy transformed in "work"?
"No government is ever perfect. One of the chief virtues of a democracy, however, is that its defects are always visible and under democratic processes can be pointed out and corrected." U.S. President Harry S. Truman, 1947
Civilization Reversed? See, A Theory of Civilization http://www.ourcivilisation.com/index.htm
Language is Understanding http://www.ourcivilisation.com/undrstnd.htm Does crime speak a different language that may also be understood for purposes of crime prevention and detection?
Translating thought into words or translating thought into activity and evidening secrecy of language/people of crime?
Pretending social conversation vs. actual social conversation and creativity in both approaches to achieve civilized outcomes, see, http://www.ourcivilisation.com/define.htm
"A Community: being that group of people sharing a common understanding who reveal themselves by using the same language, manners, tradition and law. " vs. silent/silencing and restricting language of community of thought
Communal Mind vs. Individual Mind "A Communal Mind: is similar in operation to an individual mind, except that audible conversation replaces silent thoughts;..." http://www.ourcivilisation.com/define.htm
Is copycat killer work similar to academic plagairism? http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/TeachingLib/Guides/Internet/Style.html
How does reality differ from fantasy? Compare also to American Gigolo (and social and economic context) and Pretty Woman movie outcomes. Are GRK's hate crimes?
cluster: "...1. dense bunch: a small group of people or things that are closely packed together ...9. computing network of small computers:... under the control of a larger, more powerful computer" http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/cluster.html
def. of cluster: "2. astronomy stars that appear near each other: a group of galaxies or stars that are gravitationally interacting ..." http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/cluster.html compare to group TM type activity gravitationally interacting
Cluster Analysis http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861687845/cluster_analysis.html
clus·ter B per·son·al·i·ty http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561536799/cluster_B_personality.html
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572159/Archaeology.html#s10 Gaining insights on past or future when creating history in crime?
Creating a culture history or future in GRK's?
Processual (process-oriented) Archeologists (from 1950's) explain cultural change. Could lifestyle history (campsites, outdoors, farming etc.) of people under certain conditions not have predictable outcomes?
Processual vs. post procesual archeology : http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572159_5/Archaeology.html
Cite: ""Archaeology," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2004 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved."" http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572159_5/Archaeology.html
"TITLE: Gendered dreams, gendered fears: Young women's and men's visions of their future selves" http://www.radford.edu/~gstudies/cgsprojects/dreamsfears.htm
"Reviving Ophelia: Saving the selves of adolescent girls..." http://www.radford.edu/~gstudies/cgsprojects/dreamsfears.htm
"Gendered possibilities: Academic choices and pathways to power." "Gender and patterns of academic possibilities." http://www.radford.edu/~gstudies/cgsprojects/dreamsfears.htm
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/nytimes1998.html links prostitution to violence for some but for others it can be a transcendental experience (ref. to article about gang rape) not only for gangs
""Prostitution in Canada "The Invisible Menace or the Menace of Invisibility?" article looks at criminalization in Canada and regulation in Victoria, Australia."" www.walnet.org/csis/papers/sdavis.html
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com If on this website there is a quote on bottom of every page which indicates that it takes a community to make a prostitute, can the same be said of a killer and why is the perspective dangerous?
Can trafficking in people be organized crime whether organized formally or not? www.un.org/depts/dhl/slavery
Serial polygamy of antiquity seems similar to prostitution today but were there any serial killers in antiquity?
http://www.freedomusa.org/coyotela/history.html
Group marriage and serial polygamy maybe does exist informally at street level. Any new arrivals might be disastrous?
Prostitution Context Re-Created Through Collaborative Research Including Communication. Example of perspective of one person: http://www.sfu.ca/~sakohm/municip.htm
Can playing around with senses and perception of others be achieved through group activity as a group facilitates serial murder process and obtains useful information about manipulation of people? http://www.webref.org/psychology/h/hallucination.htm
Can transcendentalism label an undesirable experience both for a killer and a victim? Can transcendentalism of this process vs. deliberate process distinguish between reaction and action?
Can pain and other sensory perceptions be concentrated/diffused focused/randomized through deliberate/non deliberate individual/group transcendentalism?
When youth in playing field did not pick up scent which smelled like decaying fish but was later discovered by an individual to be a dead body what does this indicate at basic level about focus/non-focus in natural and aritificialized scenarios?
Hallucination or Reality? perception of a physical sensation within the body such as a feeling of tiredness or boredom such as FBI policing prostitution areas?
Can many relationships interacting sexually/for other than love but power reasons result in less trustworthy perception?
What might have happened during the GRK's that concentrated similar sexual and financial desperation where sexual leads to continued employment and seems justified under guise of resolving a problem where problems of similar nature concentrate?
If trust in one's own perception whilst committing the crime to what extent when trying to help others will communication with others assist resolution of crime and one's own criminality?
Fishing. Consider that if something is cast out to an area what it might bring back when fishing for humans without appropriate communication what might be cast out and what might be drawn back may involve a play of others as well.
Can an employee practicing sexual diversity outside a workplace maintain workplace performance without appropriate community, personal relationship and staff integration (i.e. pretend vs actual) and at what cost and to whom?
If an employee achieves feeling of power in workplace but derived from outside workplace experience producing social talk confidence in work place what might this suggest about employee and workplace?
If an employee practiced sexual diversity and connected via sex trade worker (but removed worker later) to employers to maintain and/or develop power positioning what might be nature of communication which would reveal difference (social talk)?
independence as an employee vs independence as employer in both crime and legal scenarios should be compared and motivations may be same but method differs
group marriage outcomes at street level where no genuine relationship development with outside partner vs. group/individual rape of individual where is genuine relationship with outside partner and benefits derived should be measured
changing appearances in face or other body part may result when something is not legally communicating or appearance that communication is being suppressed to justify crime
group marriage/rape outcomes at street level where employment progress perception of hope is generated for those who are unhappy and seek other male connectivity and leading to selection (i.e. higher income male)
If all the women at street level had same opinion as GRK regarding not paying for sex, if this opinion is true, would GRK still murder women or find another excuse or another female group?
Can income increase in criminal and legal activity through sex trade connections or guise of sex trade and related connections? What many methods and means-short-medium term-evidencing outcomes in people-process-power ongoing result type crime?
Does GR get connected not only to other sex trade persons but also to parents, connections etc. via rape/murder strategy knowingly or unknowingly? Can social capital fuel criminal economy?
If the "ladys" had spoken more frequently to the police would GR have stopped killing or attempted to connect and influence policing, knowingly or unknowingly to himself or others of OC?
Should courts and police not be suspicious about friendly and helpful criminals? Are criminals victims of other criminals?
Can the answer to the question whether or not GR is a rapist be developed through intellectualizing rape / homicide or can they be described as the same when sexual activity is punctuated by homicide in crime stories?
Is sexual activity when motivated by homicide not criminal, even although GR claims he pays and consensually sexualizes? Who does he not wish to benefit from sex financially and socially?
It seems GR is highly sexually active? Does he service only himself? Is this activity needed by some silent interest in community/work or gathering of silent interests who wish to remain anonymous and silent?
Does criminal silence mean silencing victims strategies and are there more victims than direct impact group? Does pretend social talk not evidence crime in silence?
In the community and economics of crime what significance may be attached to necrophilia and what might this evidence in disassociation to commit crime vs. meditate to achieve oneness?
Abigail Folger stated something to the effect that she was already dead during the Manson killings. Is this perspective relevant? Why would Abigail Folger have this perspective or is this defensive communication relating to criminal perspective?
sexualize to employ oneself crime strategy and sexualizing others to employ in sex trade Pimps are frequently accused of rape? What do pimps do to camouflage title/activity-i.e. boyfriend title? Consider Patty Hearst.
Does OC sit around and sexualize others to become employed in other business as part of criminal sex trade business? Communication in work/life is important at all times.
Can sexuality be evidenced in communication in structured groups but not in communication outside such structures and if so would these circumstances suggest both economic/social crime?
consider two statements: 1. nice weather or 2. i hate you where person remains unchangedand where communication/activity changes- could deeper problem (more connections to manage) mean difficult change
"consider two statements: 1. nice weather or 2. i hate you " Rather than saying "I hate you" can a person develop a strategy in which communication, regardless of content, communicates opposite?
what kinds of connectivity/disconnectivity do people make and re-make in communication regardless of content
Economic Liberty (links, http://www.freetheworld.com/member.html needs crime prevention and reduction social, academic and financial support.
i was the granddaughter of rideway and i would like to say i hope he dies for putting my family in this pain
a very good webcite but not enough pictures Regards, Dr. Hannibal Lector, M.D
Sex trade business for women is for money not to obtain sexualization. Could sex trade business include older females trying to achieve sexualization through younger females and causing problems with male relationships outside/inside workplace.
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